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US Representative to Somalia visits Somaliland
January 23, 2012 · 80 Comments
HARGEISA — U.S. Special Representative for Somalia Ambassador James C. Swan, arrived in the Somaliland capital on Monday for talks on democracy, terrorism, maritime piracy, regional stability and development.
Ambassador Swan held a closed-door meeting shortly after his arrival with Somaliland Minister of Interior Mohamed Nur Arale and no reporters were allowed to attend. The details of their discussion have not been released but some unconfirmed reports claimed the U.S. will help Somaliland combat some elements who are trying to destabilize the region. They added terrorism and maritime piracy were high on the agenda as well as the formation of Anti-Terrorism forces in the country which the U.S. will fund.
Mr. Swan is scheduled to hold further direct talks with senior government officials including President Ahmed Silanyo and members of his cabinet as well as opposition parties and lawmakers on Tuesday.
During his two-day visit Ambassador Swan will discuss the political and security situation in Somaliland and other regional issues. During his press address in Hargeisa, he emphasized the strong and sustained cooperation between the two countries specially in the last two years since the “Dual Track” policy was announced by Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Johnnie Carson.
The US official lauded Somaliland for its progress, stability and democracy that it has achieved over the years. He revealed that his government was fully committed in furthering the ties between the two nations.
Mr. Swan also revealed that his would attend the upcoming conference on Somalia in London after receiving an invitation from their British ally. Scheduled for next month, the meeting will address the issues of development, humanitarian aid, socio-economic and political development, terrorism and maritime piracy according to UK Deputy Ambassador to Ethiopia Chris Allan.
The American diplomat said the U.S. government was opptimistic about the UK conference on Somalia who has not had a functioning government for over two decades. He finally said the U.S. will increase its support for Somaliland.
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I heard on the news from Somaliland that one of our officials has said that Somaliland will not attend the meeting as such because it involves Somalia and not in particular issues with Somaliland. Wherein, Somaliland officials will be more than happy to meet with other world officials in regard to Somaliland issues, or even perhaps a legitimate Somalia elected officials but other than that Somaliland will not be involved in the issues of Somalia.
Thats what I got from the news from back home, the one with the internet connection box. Can anyone else verify?
@ Jans
Sorry and sad to say, but there is no elected Somalia officials to sit and talk to. Somalia is currently run by warlords and former Al-shabaab allies. The President and the speaker of the parliament are former Al-shabaab allies and its unknown their present connections with Al-shabaab terrorists. The prime minister is former Puntland minister that was the master architect for sea piracy and human rights violations against the Southern west Somalia refugees. The rest of the TFG are former warlords and other opportunistic parasites, who are there to make money out of international food assistance to vulnerable (famine victims) Somalia IDP.
Thats why I wrote legitimate and elected officials not the current Mad Max apocolyptic style puppets!
U.S. Ambassador to SOMALIA, that speaks volumes. I guess it does not matter whether you've been in relative peace for 20 years or 20 million years. In diplomacy talk that does not count. I urge S.Land residents to join soon to be formed Somalia Federal Republic. S.Land still gets to manage its internal affairs. Awdal, Salal and others will join once the dust settles. The forum is now open to rebuttals. Let me get my I-Phone piece while I wait for the thumbs down to cascade upon my post. Amal you first.
Merci, tout le monde.
Hello mad man, your Identity have been found, you are not Djiboutian as you want to be know, you are nothing but a garbage from Pirateland. So please, do not pretend and drug Djibouti name and associate with those who has hate for other clans who are not one of them.
Actually, this guy is based in Djibouti and represents U.S. in S.Land matters.
Minor point: He used to be U.S. Ambassador to Djibouti till 2011, but now the U.S. Rep. to Somalia. I can't wait for this meeting to start in UK. Folks do you think Mr. Silanyo is up to par? Just a personal observation but he does not come across as a smart person.
Will I see you there Hargeisawi in East London?
Whatever..Somaliland will always be Somaliland, and Somalia will continue to eat its children and future. No thanks "hadaad naftu ku hayso dhareerka iska du"
@Jabuuti_Hanolaato,
I repeat, bring your little oven (or rather hell on earth) state along. Otherwise, shut your stinking beak and mind your own business.
Man you guys love to lie dont you, how are elected officials who all world observers documented and participated in our elections considered warlords? Tell me walalo what elections have you held? NONE!
Jabouti, like hargeisawi said either bring your little oven or shut your trap.
Hate to break it to you but Somaliland will get its recognition in this year. The funny thing is its going to be the western nations that are going to force you to recognise us first, just you watch!
By April Somaliland will be independent or on its way and Somalia will be the one to recognise it not Ethiopia or South Sudan just you watch. Ahh man I cant even wait to hear what you tards are going to be screaming on paltalk!
The only thing that is important is this …. What next after London conference .. Somalia will be run directly form the west … they will direct the directions and agendas … they now have an army there called AMISOM they pay for it … soon they will establish a joint financial organisation that will directly involve in paying salaries and the day to day activity of the government .. and after one year Somalia might find itself governed by under a foreign administration. Somaliland … well if u don't say something in the London conference well you will find yourself part of that country …. Speak now or keep quite for ever…
I think recognition which somaliland has been seeking for 20 odd years is out of the question. Lets not forget we are one nation, one religion so let us not hate each other. It is hypocritical of us to say we believe in islam and yet treat each other with such indifference. Somalia is very complicated at the moment but once Al haraam are out of the way, then we should help our fellow somalis with rebuilding the shattered nation. Remember ' To err is human, to forgive is divine'
There is also the saying "those you do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it". After the harsh lesson Somaliland learned from uniting with Somalia in 1960 it would be plan foolish to reunite with them again.
"Those who do not learn from history…"
You are right Somalia is one nation and will be like that inshaallah.
the ugly abdiweli something is a tribelist fool he does't care about hawiye or koonfur people he is only there for the majeerteen
I now pose a serious question to those who like to be isolated, call themselves SOMALI-LAND and say they want to be independent and the question is what is the real reason why you want to be independent? Why you feel you have no stake or can share political avenue with the rest of Somali people who are as just as you humiliated, tortured, killed, their innocent women raped and children displaced as homeless for the past 20 years and so what makes your cause so different that you can no longer share a life of existence with the rest of Somalia. This is a serious question and please give me a credible sensible answer without the whining of previous regime excuses without the victim card propaganda nonsense! I want to know what makes people of the north different from the people of the south? What makes your so called SOMALI-LAND (LAND of Somali people) different from Somalia Republic?
The reason Somaliland wishes to separate has gone beyond the old regime. Think of it this way why did some many Somalis (including yourself) flee Somalia during the war and come to the west?
The answer—for a better life, for safety and security of their familes, for jobs and eductaion—-the same reasons why Somalilanders have decided to separate from Somalia. There has been nothing but war, death and famine in Somalia these past 20 years—what sane person would want to be a part of that country?
Somalilanders decided they wanted to live life not fight —and this is the essential difference between Somalia and Somaliland. Somalilanders wanted progress, development and peace, while the rest of Somali wanted war, violence and chaos. So how can two groups of people with two very different objective ever unite?
Nora, please don't begin with Victim card – ie – we have been abused, our women and children raped etc etc.. Yes I am not a fool! I accept our brothers of North of Somali were victims of the previous dictator regime. Yes they were oppressed. Yes they were prosecuted. Yes they were killed. Yes they were victimized and had no post or common share for power. However are they saying they were the only once! Are they saying the previous regime singled them OUT!.. C'mon please stop with nonsense. This was systematic discrimination of people was done to whole of Somali people both North and South. The previous regime was so power hungry it stopped at nothing. They looted wealth, killed innocent women and children, took the rights of others, imprisoned political leaders etc.
Obviously you did not read my comment—Or you have cause to ignore it because you have no reply to it. I never said anything about the old regime.
Everything I mentioned is about the situation in Somalia now.
Is there still war, violence, famine, chaos in Somalia? YES
Is Somaliland peaceful,, developing, progressing, democratic? YES
Than how can two such very different nations unite? Answer me that question.
My point is all the injustice that happened to our brothers in the North also happened to the poor people of the South and they are not alone in this. It was collectively shared abuse among all the people of Somalia. No one escaped the horrors that followed before clinching days before the collapse and after the collapse of the previous regime. ALL somalis suffered tremendously. So please spare me the whining and crying that the people of North were abused and therefore they claim that they can't co-exist with rest of Somali people as if what happened was Southern people were killing North. It was the Military regime that claimed the lives of innocent women and children just like they did in the South.
As for the injustice ie continuous war this is not what the south of Somalia wants. These elements are terrorist elements, not of the culture of the Southern people of Somalia and Warlords who took hostage the people of the south with backing of neighbouring government so please don’t paint a pic like we people of the south are non peace abiding people and we are war mongering animals that no one can live with that is a big lie and you know it. Everyone knows what is happening today and the last 20years. I am glad Somali-Land didn’t suffer in the hands of their war mongers warlords but don’t say this is just the way of Southern people and we can never live with them because we are peace abiding people!
Sir, if you acknowledge, that Somaliland got it's independent from the British colony before South Somalia got their from Italian colony and then, five days later Somaliland took theirs to South Somalia to join with South, for over 30 years they gain nothing but misery, then you shouldn't ask why they withdrew. Unless you are blinded by hate and jealous, you should have known Somaliland was a separate entity before the failed union and this mistreatment forced the people of Somaliland to withdraw.
Mohamed, "… Why you feel you have no stake or can share political avenue with the rest of Somali people who are as just as you humiliated, tortured, killed, their innocent women raped and children displaced as homeless for the past 20 years and so what makes your cause so different that you can no longer share a life of existence with the rest of Somalia …"
That is a self-inflicted and your own makings. But we don't deserve the death and destruction you cause to our country and people. We came running to you with sisterly love. And you tried to wipe us from the face of the earth. How dare you compare what happened to us to what you are doing to yourselves?
What makes us different? Well, if you are not blind or just playing stupid, we don't have anything in common.
Gobaad….; " We dont have anything in common…" who is We?. Do you mean Isaaq dont have anything in common with the rest of Somalis? Or do you mean Somalilanders in general ( Isaaq, dhulhabante, warsangeli, gadabursi) dont have anything in common with the rest of Somalis?
Can you please explain to me as a Somalilander (dhulbahante) how I dont have anything in common with my blood related brothers and sisters in Somalia?
Mohamed…..what makes Somaliland what it is today is exactly the tone of language which you expressed in your questions. You tried to figure out why Somaliland wants to stay away from the rest of Somalia but again you weren't smart enough to hide your hate and intentions. Somaliland is a country of peace and progress loving people who want to progress as any other country in the world……and by the way no one will let them go a step back. Just an advise please before spewing hate and tribalistic venom just try to fix your own house first and then try to join the forward thinking human beings. Last but not the list remember civility and especially in whenp writing in blogs……peace
Mohamed stop filling up our forum and go to a place your BS talk is actually wanted.
Somaliland is here to stay and we welcome the American support. Our two nations share a lot in common–we hate dictators, communism, piracy, terrorism and States who think they can use force against others.
Soon or later Somaliland will become the Israel of the Horn. Our forces with the help of US and Israeli support will become the guardian angels of peace, harmony and democracy. No more al shabab aka greater Somalia and their dictators and suicide bombers. We got rid off dictator SIad Bare and are ready to get rid off any future dictators in the south so the southern Somalis can enjoy liberty.
Kayse, you are funny guy. You are either a comedian or your not serious at all. You think Israel is country to be proud off and emulate. If that is the mindset of Somali-LAND people than go ahead and lets see how far you get in life!
@Allemagan,
You are either confused or incurably dishonest.
A few days ago this is what you wrote, "…..Why? Secessionists in Somaliland could not stay within the fold of Somalia because of historical clan grievances. Now why can’t they understand that the people of Khatumo State and Audal have their own grievances against Somaliland administration and want an enclave of their own?"
Clearly you are explicitly admitting that Khatumo Seeg is based on a clannish concept; besides, you can't deny the fact that you have been advocating for Khatumo Seeg.
I think I rest my case.
Somaliland has to go to the conference, like south sudan they got their independence by negotiating with the north. somaliland can't ignore TFG forever both sides need to talk.
Somali-LAND must follow protocol on this. They can wish and shout, beat the ground like infant children to call for a separate nation but there is protocol on this matter. You claim to be educated, intelligent, advanced than reset of the Somali people and you always look down on rest of Somali as if they are backward people but you fail to realise to accomplish this dream of yours it must be done through proper channels and done with diplomacy.
@Anonymous,
Your pen name is "Anonymous" ( lacking individual characteristics) and your suggestion is useless (lacking information content).
We, Somalilanders, have no problem with talking to a government representing Somalia (the erstwhile Italian Somaliland). So here is the question for you, my friend, which one of these does represent Somalia : Puntland, Galmudug, Ximin iyo Xeeb, Ahlu Suna-Wal-Jamaca, Alshabab, BBC and VOA Somali Services, etc?
@hargeisawi
you come across as a bitter man/woman who wants to blindly ignore the legitimacy of the Somali Republic. Somalia has a national government with a president and a prime minister as head of states, recognized by ALL nations on this planet earth. Recognized by the UN as the ONLY government of the Somali people where ever they might be. Do not ignore the facts. French-Somaliland, aka Djibouti, has gotten its autonomy with the blessing of the Somali people. And if British-Somaliland wants to be a nation of its own, then it has first got convince the rest of us Somalis, and they better be good reasons my friend. my point is,..Somalia is a recognized nation in the world, where Somaliland is merely the land of the Somali people. Even if we let you be go and be on your own, you are going to need a "new" name and perhaps a language of your own too:)..bash bash iyo barwaaqo…One Somalia..salams folks..dont be deleting my comments @somalilandpress.com..
However the so-called Somali-LAND government begging international community for recognition is not only pathetic but it is un-constitutional in the world of governance. There has to be a over-whelming vote and the government of that people who want to be separate state must accept. For-example can south of Sudan be a separate nation without the blessing of North of Sudan? No the people must have the consent and support of their federal government.
The so-called Somali-LAND state that exists today since the collapse of the former military regime [of Gen. Siyad Barre] in 1991 are still waiting inline for recognition. Waiting inline until the cow's come home! with no prospect of hope of recognition, isn't it time to call it a day and forget this hopeless dream which can never became a reality.
Misslovely,
I urge you to start educating yourself about your own country, its history and its people. It is unfortunately that you don't know your history and heritage. It is the symptoms of lack of governance/education of the Somali-LAND government and their brain-washing of young people. You have lot to learn about your history, culture and people. I encourage you to start today because whether you like it or not you are Somali, you skin, language, culture, religion all tell you are a SOMALI young woman. So please act like one don't act like a confused person who basically denies their true nature. It like talking to a black person who wants to be white! You are Somali and you will always be Somali regardless of country flag you have etc.
If there was a cancer in your leg, would you not cut your leg in order to stop the cancer from spreading?
SOMALIA is a failed state and SOMALILAND deserves its recognition. May I lastly point out that it is not for you to say whether Somalilanders should seek for their recognition, its up to the Somalilanders to decide, and they have.
Source: Last referendum on Somlaliland being independent from Somalia 97% of the population were for it.
Brother Read.
You right when there is cancer you should look for a solution but the first solution is not let’s get the knife and cut the leg! You look for remedies, medicine, you try to cure it. Imagine if you cut you leg you can be 1 leg less for the reset of your life. You gone need a wheel chair, you gone be disable for the rest of your life! You gone depend on others for help because you hasted on the decision to cut your leg so quickly maybe you could have found a cure to the cancer. Have you tried to look for cure to Somali cancer? The answer is a BIG NO! That’s a frail argument. Try to come up with something better. As for referendum it is a UN referendum backed by all people of North of South. That is the one I am talking about not some crazy under the table vote with 97% vote when there are so many regions and so many clans of the North saying this break-away state is not for us! So that needs to be looked at who voted and how credible was the VOTE. Did you UN observers monitor the vote? NO so get your acts together guys when there is a referendum is not about lets do one in my back yard and we call it a day there is protocol.
Well said, Mohamed. A! How can there have been a referendum of 97% when two regions did not participate? The maths just doesn't add up! Now you can see Awdal and Khatumo states coming up. What do you say about the so called referendum? Here is the reality: Somalis are tribal people and their first and foremost allegiance is and will always be to their tribe. Starting breakaway states just means many pieces of Somaliland. The best option is to work together and to think as one entity that is Somali. I suspect that is a rather hopeless thought though given all the vituperative comments that will no doubt resonate from my comments.
I seriously dont understand the whole somaliland 'bashing' thing. if you dont support somaliland the u should go somewhere else ( like sunatimes) – full of garbage news on there. anyway to all the somaliland haters, well i guess ur all jealous and so if u feel this way then go back to koonfur and help sort ur people out. i really dont understand when haters jus go on about somaliland being 'one clan state'. i mean come on seriously?somaliland being poor themselves sended around $700,000 to reer koonfur, what did puntland send?eh….? also the people that flee muqdishu and other areas seek refuge in SOMALILAND.The question is why couldnt they seek refuge in puntland? This is because pugland IS A ONE CLAN STATE. to be honest with you if puntland got the opportunity somaliland has by proclaiming independence from somalia they would've done so however what lacks is the unity between their own tribes.ANYWAYS, this london conference taking place is a good sign for somaliland i've got a feeling that they're gonna be recognised soon inshallah however if somaliland officials attend this meeting they really need to listen carefully and not be fooled by the other countries taking part. i mean we all know what the british were like during colonial times.
Ayaan, you got the gist of it wrong!.. No one is hating Somali-LAND. They are our family. We urge our brothers and sisters all people of the North to re-consider at least to hold off their plans of separate state until a Somali Federal Government is formed. Be part of the solution to Somali people crises. Don't Isolate yourselves into corner a political stalemate, isolated with no gains what so ever. You have tried that approach for 2 decades and you gained nothing, no independence, no recognition absolutely nothing what so ever. On the other hand, I commend the work you have done in the North, achievements you have made at difficult period of Somali history. You deserve to be commended and saluted for the achievements you had done thus far. However for the interest of all Somali people we need to be united for once in our life. We need unity and a federal government. We need our brothers and sisters side by side supporting the rest of Somali people both at good times and bad times, this is not the time to abandon the ship! Somali people need you and need your support NOW not tomorrow. Please come to this conference and take your rightful place, your seat in the political process. You deserve to be on the table.
This is my advise, if you have hopes and aspiration to be separate for sure there is no denying of that hope but let it be known this is something that needs to take process and a referendum is needed as well as the blessing of the rest of the Somali people. However that discussion and that political separation needs to happen at later stage as I discussed earlier. You can't chose to go it alone without any political healing process that is needed for all of Somalia.
Mohamed.A, FYI Somalia has no jurisdiction over Somaliland's Affairs. And even if another referendum is needed, it will not be including Somalia. Somaliland was a sovereign nation when we joined the ill-fated union and we reverted to our previous Statehood. So, why don't you people understand that?
@Ayaan
they seek refuge in somaliland becuase its their land???..is that convincing enough for you?.lol..how dare you mock people in need and brag about $700,000 whatever?..who built hargaisa airport and the berbera port?..all the roads leading up to "issaaqlandia" they were built with the sweat and money of the somali republic. Acting like Isaaq people themselves are Moses's people taken to some distant land where they have started with nothing. and i guess who the Pharoh is in this case then huh?..always scapegoating and crying like little babies…they did this and they did that to us?..so what?..you'r doing the same thing today to people that no longer want to be in your false "nation" HOW DARE YOU??.. how is it alright for you to split off from the Union and you do not allow others to defect from you?.not even IGAD wants to recognize you guys, let alone the AU or UN..so sad!..you will always run back to us,..you've done it back in the day in 1960 begging to join us, and that day will soon come again inshAllah..an 'nvation by Ethiopia's military will perhaps do the trick,.see who comes to your aid markaas!..
LMAO!!! run back to what?? sum burnt out factory!listen instead of arguing with me why dont you help ur people in need.somaliland does not need somalia. end of. the people of somaliland have spoken through a referendum. you see gulled we have something called DEMOCRACY in somalland. finally my last point is that the 'faqash' regime gave 'zilch' to the people of somaliland. in fact the issaq's were marginalized and so stop acting like you know everything. somalia is useless without reer waqooyi and THAT IS A FACT.
@ Mohamed.A
Nora and many other Somalilanders have already responded to your questions in a polite and accurate manner yet you still wish to force your beliefs on others. I ask you where does it state that all people of the same ethnicity have to live together under one country. Look at the GCC, Slavic, and Asian countries.
- China vs Taiwan
- Croatia, Serbia and Kosovo (former Yugoslavia)
- UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen (All original nomadic Arabs) etc
- Libya, Morocco, Algeria (North Africans)
- Al Sham (Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan)
- India and Pakistan (use to be one)
- Thailand and Cambodia
- Kazakstan, Afghanistan and the other stans
- United States, Canada, Australia, and many of the English speaking countries have all had roots in the UK
- South and Central Americas had both their cultural and religious roots in Europe (Spain and Portugal)
All the above mentioned groupings have all shared many ties such as religion, culture, language, and in some cases even dialect. Finally, Djibouti is an ethnically Somali nation and yet Alhamdullah they made the right decision for their people.
Now the time has come for the people of Somaliland to do the right thing for themselves and future generations. Unlike Djibouti, Somalilanders have done more than their share for the greater good of Somalia and you know this. I believe the time has also come for our brothers in the south to sincerely look to their own affairs.
The question you should be asking yourself is how will the south look like in the next 1-5 years?
warya (whatever your real name is)
you list countries that have nothing to do with each and in most cases you defeat your own argument and more over you do so without knowing…how sad you are!
Pakistan broke with India to create a Muslim nation
Tiawan broke not to be communist
Kosova because they are Albanian Muslims nothing to do with Croatia or Serbia
Arabs have been armed and broken up voluntarily by the British (did not require referendum)
All other examples are self-contradiction
Name the reason you should break…i think you are racist, you want isaaq dominated racist enclave. and you know what, we not going to allow you.
Long live Somalia
I don't want to call names to other people and disagree with comment made by Kamil calling a brother a racist! We need to be above of that trash talk. I want to have a serious debate on this subject. I posed a serious question earlier on this Post. Sister Nora, attempted to give her point of view but again we also go back to the Victim Card. I don't want to hear that whining plea! I want serious answer why Somali-LAND should be separate state? What is the main grievance with rest of Somali people? If you can't answer that question you defeat your own idea of separatism.
The question I would like to put to all the commentators is as follows:
Somalis are documented to have more in common than the indigenous populations of most countries – Religion, ethnicity, language etc. However, are Somalis politically compatible in the sense that they can all live under 1 state?
I say No! Sadly, we have tried for 20 years and failed miserably. Three of the 5 regions have gone their separate ways and the remaining two have destroyed themselves in their failed union. Precious time has also been wasted on countless peace conferences, corrupt governments, and failed initiatives.
With this wasted time, we should have been entertaining the idea of a possible 2 state solution with the idea of possibly rejoining in the future in phases. – peace in the north and south, and negotiate for the other 3 parts. However, as a community, Somalis are MAD. We are so determined to glue Somaliweyne together by force that we have continued to destroy ourselves in the process.
We are talking about recapturing lost lands from Ethiopia and Kenya while we don't even have clean water to drink! Simply put, Somalis don't know how to pick their battles. This WHY Somaliland wants to separate no BSing.
Somalia has become a runaway train heading for a cliff and people keep shouting "SOMALILAND GET ON BOARD YOU'RE ONE OF US!" It's utter madness!
So as I mentioned this failure was Inevitable however just because you failed in something does it make it an excuse to give up. When you fail an exam, do you give up and call it a day. Ofcourse failures are part of life of learning. We can all learn from the failed lessons. However to call we failed so lets give up is a pathetic argument! As I said in my last post we had issues because of many reason but the big one was resource. That was the elephant in the room that no one talked about. Not our intellectuals or government!! Everybody pinged at the opportunity to abuse what little we had and the high corruption. Everyone wanted their guy at the top so he can get us some! This sadly still exists and we need to eliminate that way of thinking. We are all educated and we can for sure contribute to our country. However the key is Unity, can you do something with 1 finger? However you can do something with 5 they form a hand! Think of it from that prospective if all fails!
@Gulled ,
Please ask your parents the difference between Hargeisawi and Hargeisawiyad first. Then we will talk.
The ill issues of Somali as we can probably all can agree with is the lack of resources and lack of investment, lack of education and lack of Unity!
With regards to resources, Allhamdolillah Allah blessed our LAND with so much natural resources. However for one reason or another previous government didn’t invest resource or worked with developed countries to drill or mine those resources. In many ways than one we wouldn’t have the situation we have if Somali had a production of Oil since the 1980’s. You see how international community procures of resources to stabiles any nation that is producing OIL so the production of OIL is not interrupted. This is the double standards with the international community. They only care about their end means if their economy or OIL prices will go up. I think with new development in Puntland with their OIL discovery of 10 billion barrel. As well as 2/3 of Somali sitting on even more OIL, plus other natural resources GAS, URANIUM, Iron Ore and Gold. So you can imagine the need to fight to go to the top is no longer required there is plenty to go around for our 9-10million people for whole of Somalia.
@Warya,
"….Somalia has become a runaway train heading for a cliff and people keep shouting "SOMALILAND GET ON BOARD YOU'RE ONE OF US!" It's utter madness!"
Fantastic! Good on you Warya.
Guys, I am sorry to say, this is the most pathetic argument I have ever heard. Is that the best you guys can come up with? REALLY! This is the reason you want to break-up the country???
@jabuuti_hanoolato, first you should not talk about Somaliland as it is a democratic country, the citizens can vote and change the predisent. Unlike your country where your president put in jail all oppositions, and change the constitution so that he can rule for ever. There is no democracy in Jibuuti. First Jibutians must put their house in order. Also Jibuti is part of Somalia why dont you join the Dawlaada Kuu Meel Gaar and be part of that greater Somalia. Leave Somalilandders alone. Jibuti and Somalia you are all failed state. Jibuti depends only the port and have nothing to be proud. Berbersa port is bigger than Jibuti one, again Somaliland has minerals , gas and oil.
@Mohamed A. The solution of Somalia is unworkable as long as you run after foreignors to solve your proble. The late President of Somaliland Mohamed Ibrahim Egal once offered to host all Somalis from South to come to Hargeisa for a meeting to resolve the issue. Gues who objected to it, were people from puntland. Historically People in Somaliland would solve their problems through clan elders, which is the pillar of success in Somaliland that brought stability. However in Southern Somalia was ruled by Italians who destroyed the somali culture, and no one will listen to each other. For rxample when the Britsh elderly couple were abducted by the piracy, they would not respect their elders and were released after a ransom was paid. How you expect this type of people to be able to solve Somalia problems. Will the meeting in London do difference to the suffering of the Somalis, not at all. There people in UN who have made Somali issue as business. The earn a lot from UN in the name of being leaders of different UN offices. In Nairobi where there is Un offices for Somalia, you would not find a single Somali, all jobs filled by Kenyans. What a shame
Brother M.Ali,
I hear you loud and clear. I agree with your points and the main issues with Somali as whole in general is 4.5 political paradigms. We need new collective solutions to the problems in hand. The man you mention Mohamed Ibrahim Egal was our neighbour in Somalia Mogadishu, people respected him and they loved him greatly, may Allah forgive his sole. So the points you raised are known to me! However the issues at hand is setting together to solve these problems. Conference in London Insha'Allah gives people hope. Why because the first time in Somali history all Somalis whether they are from North or South will sit under one tree some where in London :) it doesn't matter whether it is a tree or same table point is they would be in the same place, same rooms with 40 other countries discussing real issues to Somalia. Hargeisa government is invited and to my knowledge they are coming hence the article above US ambassador to SOMALIA not SOMALI-LAND is also re-inviting them Cameron government invited them they are expected to show up. A No show is not good for Hargeisa government special their cause.
I like this guy mohamed. He seems like he really wants to better his country. Too bad other somalis aren't like him, and because of that we can't join the south because they have dangerous thinking and too much corruption. I could say that somaliland can help build a country after our recognition
American Boy, there is plenty of other Somalis like me. We are the new generation. We can make a change. A change we can all believe in :) join me…
silanyo the best
Here we go again LOL
Why is it that no one is asking Djibouti to join Somaliweyen? For those of you that want Somaliwayen(United Somalia) why don't you ask Djibouti to join as well. Are we forgeting that Djibouti was once called French Somaliland? Just as Somaliland was called British Somaliland?
Mohamed, Somaliweyn is comprises of Five Somali speaking Regions: Somaliland, Jabout, Somalia, Somli-Ethiopian, and Somali-Kenyan. Jabouti went solo when they saw genocide committed against Somaliland and will never compromise the sovereignty. Siyad Barre relinquished his claim over both Somali-Ethiopian in 1988 and Somali-Kenyan in 1984. And there is no body campaigning for it because they are well aware that it is impossible.
They are crying after Somaliland now because they know that Somaliland was the brain behind everything good and the arm and leg that glued them together. Unfortunately, Somalia and Somaliland do not form the dream of the "Great Somalia". Look, what became happened to them after Somaliland left.
@ Jabuuti_Hanoolato
Oh dear me, not you again. We had a break from your spiteful comments and constant attacks on Somaliland. It's very ironic you lecture us about Federal and greater Somalia while you refuse to bring your little state along. The only reason you are so against Somaliland is because you feel threaten by recognized Somaliland that might make you invisible. Too bad, I guess Somaliland will be a threat to your little state not to Somalia. And unfortunately you will have only two options in the future: a) to join or diffuse into Somaliland or b) to be barren and abandoned tiny speck of Africa. We Somalilanders strongly recommend our brothers to take option (a) because:
1) you will not be an invisible Somali state and we will share Somaliland's greatest resources with you therefore;
2) you will not all your life depend on international aid or lose out
3) with us you will never ever have to worry about being bullied by Eritrea or get chased with knifes by afars
4) Your land can be liberated from France and you will re-join your fellow Somalis for strength. The future is bright my friend
Otherwise I'm afraid I can only say bonne chance à votre camp peu de français
@ burch
We issaqs and dulbahantes/warsangelis share everything; blood, land, culture and we have intermarried all our lives and that's why we even have sub clans in issaq like bah dulbahnate, bah warsangli etc. And in burco and eastern Somaliland the dulbahnates and the issaqs are inan iyo inaanti families tol iyo xidi. Silanyo and the government need to do more to make it more appealing for them to jump on board all together. Somaliland is multi tribal state and inshAllah we will succeed and help Somalia stand on their two feet. We will look after our little sister state aka Djibouti too even though they are against us all the time but that's okay we can take it we are their bigger sister state.
Long live Somaliland and may Allah safeguard it.
well said amal my sister
Amal how u coping with the devils?
Cheers.
I once to had a dream. therefore a grown soul should know some dreams are hard to achieve
If it takes 50years to reconize palastine x3 for Sland. the dead sea will dry up and we the south might just tell the west please reconise our northeren bros so they can stop loosing waight. Lol
@ Matt and @ All Somalilanders
Israel says ready to recognize Somaliland….
I think, we have to be a realistic on the issues to differentiate Somaliland from Somalia in this Conference, in case, Somaliland chosen to attend.
Then no need to waste a time for fluff stuff and parroting comments that have no values in political sense as far as Somaliland decision making affairs concerns and here is the historical facts. Check out http://english.alshahid.net/archives/4358
Here are benefiting words those must be applied and remembering in any situations such no hesitations, getting encouragements and history testing. HD-Obama State Of The Union-Full Speech…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9c3WyHz4wk
Sorry forgotten to mention my last comment of President's Obama' State Union Speech that was referred to real Somalilander, others nothing to loose and they don't share similar aspirations or life value historically.
The reason of referred that speech was, as we Somalilander share with Americans some similar values and way of thinking.
1)Standup together in warring and difficult times. Example in last week was one of the biggest demonstrations campaigned from Las Anood to Awdal in every village and every town the most effective means supporting Somaliland unity.
Secondly, when how everybody in combined houses and the congress were supporting the President's speech from first moments to the last minutes regardless of different views in respect of among the political parties and people about the current government policies.
2) We freed our country with unity and encouragements similar to American history of freedom struggles.
3) More importantly USA is most single super power supporting and backing strategically the Somaliland security and its independence in the back yard. and listen with care what's he says and that's applies to Somaliland only, because others have nothing to loose and they aren't sharing life value and similarity of struggle history . This video again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9c3WyHz4wk
Berri will you stop digging old and outdated coffins. All these BS you presenting are old stuff
and no good for the Somaliland current quest. Get real and go fool other morons.
Cheers.
Well said Berri! Are you a fellow American Lander? It would be interesting to find out who are founding fathers were. Have you read the book Tempest At Dawn? It tells the story of how the founding fathers basically freed themselves from the yoke of Britain. Interesting read if you ever want to learn more about the subject, it also goes into detail about framing the constitution!
I dont realy see how this meeting is beneficial to us (somaliland and somalia) if anything it is in their favor so we should stay away from it.
If anything The Somalia London Conference will mandate another new term of the same
useless products as usual replacing the expiring TFG mandate in August 2012. Another 4 years.
The scary part out of all these is, what happens to Somaliland's criterion?..pretty scary indeed.
Cheers.
Concurrently well said too, "a little knowledge is very dangerous"
Yr reference is not relative to Soamaliland's history but what's relative is the Colonialism & Characteristics of the Southern or total control over what fascist called ‘La Grande Somalia. And that was unthinkable exercises of slavery practices on human beings. Check out here http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3…
However, Allied forces led by USA eventually captured Italian overseas colonies and defeated in its attempt to conquer Ethiopia and Somaliland under the Fascist government of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini.
So, since then, we share with Americans and British in many values including struggles and liberation bravery.
Berri
YOU are deluded big time pal we share nothing with American and British, how can u share liberation with ur former oppress and current neo-colonialism? ok may be agaist them
People think SLanders only live in SL, but we have a large group who has an interest in the former Italian colony. So the Slanders from Somalia will take part, but not the SL government.
Plus Somalia is not a recognised government, USA and UK do not recognise them. So don't let them spread fitna on this site.
There has been a referendum….