September 15, 2012 · 80 Comments
Talks or no talks our Sovereignty is neither for discussion nor compromise . . . Following the costly reclamation of our independence and in view of Somalilanders’ desires for self-rule, we do hereby ask the world to respect our people’s decision and recognize Somaliland as a free country with full membership at the United Nations.
President Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud (Silanyo)
The Republic of Somaliland reasserted its independence from Somalia on May 18, 1991. Since then Somaliland has demonstrated the characteristics of a robust democratic state: government composed of three branches—the executive, the legislative and the judicial—to ensure the separation of powers; numerous free and fare elections at both the national and local levels; three contending political parties; free media; freedom of association, assembly and speech; its own currency and passport. Therefore, the people of Somaliland are rightly anticipating from the international community to grant their well-deserved recognition.
In addition to its unmatched democratic triumphant in the Horn, Somaliland has satisfied all the requirements of statehood: first, the union between Somaliland and Somalia was, and still is, legally nonbinding; secondly, Somaliland fulfills the prerequisites of statehood under international law; thirdly, Somaliland satisfies Article 4(b) of the African Union Charter regarding the legality of its border; fourthly, Somaliland’s case for recognition resembles other breakaway states around the world; and lastly, the political reasons, rather than legal reasons, that hinder Somaliland’s recognition.
Legally Nonbinding Union
Some individuals erroneously claim that Somalis were one unified nation before the arrival of European colonies. This explanation is unsubstantiated at best and fictitious at worst when one closely examines the historical trajectory of Somaliland and Somalia. Prior to the colonial era, Somaliland and Somalia were two separate territories devoid of any form of unifying authority or association. Any contact between the two territories was virtually nonexistent, as Somali history, poetry and folklore repeatedly attested. Nevertheless, the recent unprecedented hasty merger between the two independent states (Somaliland and Somalia) was enthused by three interrelated factors. The first factor was the realization of diverse Somali clans having common language and religion with other distant clans. The second cause was the annexation of the Reserved Area and Haud to Ethiopia in 1954, which assisted provoke Somali resentment against European colonies and Ethiopian occupation. The third aspect was Somaliland’s delusional pursuit of the hollow dream of “Greater Somalia” irredentism.
After Somaliland gained its independence on June 26th, 1960, thirty-five states (including the U.S., the UK, and Egypt) recognized it as a sovereign state. Alas, Somaliland had enjoyed only five days of statehood. Delegates from Somaliland and Somalia agreed upon the unification of the two independent states. On June 27, 1960, the Legislative Assembly of Somaliland immediately crafted and passed the Act of Union and sent it to Somalia anticipating excitedly that their counterpart would follow suit. However, the representatives of Somalia have never signed the treaty. Rather, on June 30, 1960, Somalia crafted their respective Atto di Unione treaty, which was drastically different from that of Somaliland. Neither Somaliland’s Act of Union nor Somalia’s Atto di Unione was ever singed or formalized, which rendered the treaty null and void under international law.
What took place was that the elected Provisional President issued a presidential decree intended for the formalization of the union between the two independent states. However, the presidential decree was not singed into law either. Under Article 63(3) of the new Constitution, a presidential decree ought to be presented to the National Assembly for conversion into law within five days of its publication. If the decree is not signed into law within five days “it shall cease to have an effect.” Therefore, the union of Somaliland and Somalia does not have any legal legitimacy. This helps smooth the progress of Somaliland’s quest for recognition. However, this is not the only requirement that Somaliland needs to satisfy. Under international law, there are certain prerequisites that an aspirant state ought to fulfill.
Prerequisites for Statehood under International Law
On December 26, 1933, a convention held in Montevideo, Uruguay titled Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States established the standard definition of statehood under international law. The Convention stipulated four prerequisite elements that an aspirant state ought to posses: (a) a permanent population, (b) a defined territorial boundary, (c) a government, and (d) an aptitude to enter into relations with other states. Accordingly, any applicant state that manifests the aforesaid four elements is considered, under international law, a sovereign state. In light of Montevideo standard, let us examine whether Somaliland fulfills the aforesaid four prerequisite elements for statehood.
Somaliland possesses permanent population in excess of 3.6 million people, of which 97.1% participated in the referendum on May 31, 2001 affirming the independence of Somaliland. Second, Somaliland occupies conspicuously definite territory with an area of 137,600 km2. The country is surrounded by neighboring countries of Ethiopia to the west, Puntland to the east, Djibouti to the northwest, and Gulf of Aden to the north. Third, Somaliland has democratically elected government consisting of three branches: the Executive branch which comprises a President, Vice President, and Cabinet; bicameral parliament composed of The House of Elders (Upper Chamber or Golaha Guurtida), The House of Representatives (Lower Chamber or Golaha Wakiilada); and independent judiciary (Maxkamada). Through free and fair elections, Somaliland has successfully constructed the first democratic state of its kind in the Horn of Africa fusing traditional institutions with modern political institutions. Fourth, Somaliland has entered bilateral and multilateral relations and co-operations with other states such as relations with Ethiopia, Djibouti, Kenya, Ghana, UK, Belgium, France, South Africa, to name a few. This demonstrated vividly that Somaliland fulfills the Montevideo standard of statehood. Despite its legally nonbinding position and the fulfillment of statehood prerequisite under international law, critics still raise the oft-repeated question concerning the legality of Somaliland’s current border. The answer to critics’ inquiry clearly lies in the African Union Charter.
Inviolability of Somaliland Border
Some people attempt to dispute the legality of Somaliland’s border. They assert that the border between Somaliland and Somalia should be disregarded because it was created by colonial powers. This repetitive absurdity has numerous profound historical and legal blunders. Historically, as I have explained in my previous article What Went Wrong? Why southern Somalia Failed and Somaliland Succeeded? Majority of Somalis were, prior to the arrival of European colonizers, nomadic pastoralists and few agro-pastoralists sparsely scattered over a large areas wherein miscellaneous rival clans inhabited and safeguarded their respective, defined and, sometimes overlapped, territory/ies. As such, Somalis were not united as one nation in pre-colonial era. Therefore, the border, or rather borders, between clans have existed prior to colonial epoch.
Legally, however, the border that exists presently between Somaliland and Somalia is defined formally by the African Union Charter. Article 4(b) of the African Union Charter in its Resolution AHG/Res. 16(I) on “Border Disputes Among African States” which “The assembly of Heads of State and Government meeting in its First Ordinary Session in Cairo, UAR, from 17 to 21 July 1964,” solemnly adopted states that all member “States pledge themselves to respect the borders existing on their achievement of national independence.” The clause stipulates that the borders that existed at the time of independence should remain the official borders between African states. Consequently, since Somaliland’s border existed at the time of its independence, it is, according to the AU Charter, legally the official border between Somaliland and Somalia. This demonstrates that Somaliland satisfies Article 4 (b) of the African Union Charter.
Other Breakaway States
Reasserting independence is not a new phenomenon. There were, and still are, countless countries that reassert their independence from their respective union. Most, if not all, of the subsequent cases resemble Somaliland’s quest for recognition. On July 09, 2011 Republic of Sudan declared its independence from Sudan; East Timor withdrew from Indonesia in 2002; on December 25, 1991, the Soviet Union dissolved into fifteen states, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, etc; Macedonia and Bosnia seceded from Yugoslavia; on 1990s the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia disintegrated into Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro, Servia, Kosovo, Vojvodina; Eriterea seceded from Ethiopia; Senegambia was dissolved into Senegal and Gambia; The Mali Federation dissolved into Mali and Senegal. Therefore, Somaliland is not different from any of the aforesaid cases. It fulfills and satisfies similar requirements that permitted the aforesaid states to secede. If this is the case, why then Somaliland is not recognized yet?
Political Reasons
The preceding clarifications demonstrate vividly that Somaliland deserves recognition due to its historical as well as legal grounds. Nevertheless, this raises the subsequent question: if Somaliland was independent state in 1960; never united with Somalia legally; regained its independence in 1991; satisfies all the requirements of statehood under international law; has its own borders according to the African Union Charter, why, then, is it not recognized by any state? The primary, or rather the only, rationale that Somaliland is not recognized hitherto is apparently political reasons, rather than legal reasons. The main concern of most states, especially African states, is an irrational fear of opening a Pandora Box of secessionist aspirations across the continent. However, this concern is unfounded due to the aforementioned breakaway states across the globe. It is high time therefore for the international community to recognize Somaliland.
Abdi Hussein Daud
Minneapolis, MN
The author has obtained B.A. in Political Science/Global Studies from the University of Minnesota and currently pursuing Masters in Health and Human Services Administration at Saint Mary’s University of Minnesota. He can be reached at: abdihdaud@yahoo.com
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go check the papers your president has sign in dubai regarding about the port then will discuss legal right of somaliland and all other things ok.
Well written paper. The legality of Somaliland’s independence and sovereignty has never been in question as historical and existing evidence attests to. The reality is that Somalilanders have played critical role is somali politics, literature, education and Somali state building since the inception of the Somali Republic, something the other somalis in Somalia recognize and can’t forget. Loosing Somaliland is equivalent to loosing a major artery and bleeding out. This is why other somalis in Somalia can never phantom such a loss. There is also sinister tribal hatred towards Somaliland clans from most members of the Darood clan who after participating in Siad Barre’s brutal ethnic cleansing feel they have right to inherently rule over all Somalis an idiology nurtured by Barre himself. They provoke the notion of Greater Somalia, envistioned and fashioned in Somaliland, but use it for their political end. They never propose a workable State ruled by democratically elected government with all the necessary tools to promote peaceful coexistence, justice and opportunity for all. They propose state run by tribes, all scrumbling for power, unable to agree on any thing, so that the powerful can tramp the weak using state own resources. Anyone who observed Somalia’s politics can easily recognize this.
Puntland is the worst entity that hinders any understanding between Somaliland and Somalia. Don’t forget they also support liyu police and Ethiopia.
puntland has a vested interest in the recognition of somaliland. any sane person should know the fact puntland wants the harti land in their control.
somaliland should have sorted out that problem long ago before they talk to the somali federal republic of somalia
Abdi you’re so blinded by hate for particular Somali tribe you even can’t see the fact more than 90% of Somalis against seperation, if only Daroods were against Somaliland seperation as u mentioned why hasn’t Hawiyee president ever recognised somaliland Aden Cadde to present. and why would Daroods want Greater Somalia more than other tribes as we all know Somali Galbeed belongs to many different tribes including Isaaqs, so is NFD. u sound like as if somalia is a village owned by Daroods. and for Siad barre, he was a dictator and every clan were part of his government.
Somalilands international recognition is way over due.
Somaliland to be recognized internationally is at it’s final stage. It isn’t no longer why but when..
Somaliland has a legal case to be recognized. But what I really think about sometimes are the following:
1) Somaliland was the initiator, creator of the Somali Republic and played a crucial role and upon separation what is the fate of the Somali people and can powerful Somalis in the horn be possible without SL or as two instead of one?
2) With Somalis as two nation, can the unity and cooperation of Somalis be strong as two states?
3) What will the relation of Somalis with Ethiopia be? If Somalis with Ethiopian uniform i.e liyu police can attack Somalis (originally from SL) because of clan-hatred, wouldn’t Ethiopia also use the same tactics and make relation between Somaliland and Somalia worse for their benefit?
4) Wouldn’t Somaliland and Somalia end up focusing on each other in terms of competition instead of competing with Ethiopia, Kenya and others or dictating the horn as one.
5) Can union made out of countries like the UK but with equal power sharing be possible and effective? with obviously conditions that would allow SL to withdraw with ease if any of the agreements are violated.
6) Is separation the best solution?
These are just random questions that pop into my head sometimes
Here is my take on these issues;
1) Somali people have lived in the horn of african for 1000s of years, well before the creation of the Somali Republic and they got on fine and i’m sure they’ll be fine after the Somali republic. Our leaders in the 1960s were drunk on Somaliweyne, instead of doing their due diligence they let emotion get better of them. Countries of same peoples unite and separate all the time ,i.e. Germany-Austria united following 1st world war then separated soon afterwards. Same thing with Egypt and Syria (United Arab Republic) it failed and they separated.
Somali Republic has been an utter failure why on earth would anyone want to prolong failure?
2) The relationship Somalia and Somaliland have will always be dictated by Somalia’s stance. If Somalia continues to be hostile to Somaliland as it is today, then Somaliland has be choice to to return the hostility. If Somalia accepts Somaliland as a brotherly country (like it does Djabouti) relations will be good.
3) Ethiopia is a red herring. Somalis have an tendency to blame everyone but themselves. Ethiopia has influence only because Somalis allow it. They only real issue we have with Ethiopia is territorial. Which could be tackled politically/Legally not militarily. If they is a good relationship between Somalia and Somaliland this should be doable.
4) Competition of any kind is good. Somalis have basically lost 2 decades in terms of development. What you are basically say is that Somalis forced together will make a strong state which can dictate what happens in the horn. I disagree because you cannot unite a divided people had expect to have a strong state. You will have a weak state with many fault lines that will inevitable collapse.
5) With all due respect what part of the Somali republic has failed do you not understand. The union has failed. Lets separate find out exactly how it failed and look to build foundations to a more equitable union in the future. Lesson.
need to be learned. Also Uk is a bad example scotland will have a referendum in 2014 and Welse is like to follow suit. These counties have been unite for 300 years!
6) Separation is definitely the solution. Its better to have 5 strong Somali states in the horn than one big failed weak useless state.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
Hope that made sense
MMAli
MMAli, You make good points brother but I’m only saying lets examine the situation instead of only seeing ‘us’ against ‘them’. To me djibouti is just a tiny place and the only people who benefit from is the west where they base their military and camps but they have no great influence but good for them for their independence, happy for them. The problem with the Somali republic is that it was not handled properly before.
Look Amal,
You are contradicting yourself here. You are asking whether independence is good for Somaliland and at the same time you are congratulating Djibouti for their independence. Do you see how confused you are? By the way, when you said that the West benefits from Djibouti independence more than Djiboutians because they build their military base, don’t you know that the West can build their military base in Somalia easily if they wish? If the West is benefiting more, then you are implying that Djiboutians are not benefiting as much but at the same time you are congratulating Djiboutians for their independence. Sister, this is shameful contradiction in one short paragraph. Go and study your history.
Djibouti is just a little place that decided not to join us, but Somaliland was where the Somali republic got created and seperation would mean breaking the Somali republic into two halves which might not be viable for both sides but needs further study. It’s easier to be obessed with something without putting anything else into consideration.
If tinny Djibouti stay viable believe me u don t have to worry about 2 states Somalia and Somaliland. Unity is past, strong cooperation is future.
That is the problem everyone is obsessed with recognition without having thought about it much, the vast majority of those who are for it have no rational arguments, the majority of those against are mainly against it because they see it as a clan issue and again brush aside the mistakes and injustices of the past. For the few people who engage their brains, consider this if there was a possibility of a decent progressive union would you be for it? The other issue we face is the problem of the eastern regions of Somaliland if we really want independence and they don’t, what are we going to do? should we not first come to an agreement among ourselves?
And don’t tell us to read history! bring forth thought out points with examples and explanations in a civilised manner.
“For the few people who engage their brains, consider this if there was a
possibility of a decent progressive union would you be for it?” looks like that is out of the equation lool It is not in Somalilanders dictionery. We should look at the bigger picture always what is and not suitable and viable for our people in general. Sometimes you think something is good for you when it is not and vice versa so we should always think critically. Most Somalilanders I know are able to contemplate on both union and separation, but in SomalilandPress it’s ‘recogniton’ or the end of the world. It’s like a tug of war games, soon we’ll all end up exhausted lol Let our leaders Somaliland/Somalia come to wise decision and fruitful agreement and solution. My goodness Somalis are something else lol
amal didnt i tell you watch out for somaliland extremist they will rip u apart if you try to think outside the box look at all this who are saying look your history. why dont they tell us the “history”? you know what because it was all propaganda. SNM never fought for recognition they fought for better live of north somalia and all somalis in general. it is been hijacked by opportunists in 1992 when the Somalia collapsed. over to you
loool The thing is in SLPress no one can open up properly without being shot down. Here in my family we all discuss and all have different ideas, some don’t mind, some do. But in SLPress if you question ‘recognition’ you are dead lol
dont flatter yourself somali war has nothing to do with union it everything to do with tribalism and nepotism
@ amal,
It is always good to see a thinking person who asks questions, personally I am ambivalent about the recognition issue, the sad thing is we can never have an intelligent conversation because people tend to disengage their brains lose objectivity and come down on the issue along clan lines.
Glad you agree with me.Not good to only see one thing
without examining all else. I don’t know why we always say SNM fought a
bitter battle for separation when that is not true, they fought bitter battle
with a brutal regime and freedom , can that freedom not be possible in Somali
republic? That was the origional idea before the south collapsed and went into
mayham and SNM was a national movement daqdaqaqa dalka and they were not
a separatist movement.
I’m not saying lets
unite but lets examine before we only become stuck in recognition. Also with
the coming dialogue, are we only bringing ‘recognition’
only to the table without having a second plan of how we can demand our lion
share? Do we ever think about what we can actually gain and achieve in
Somali republic and how we can have great influence? External enemies or
those who hate Somalis in general or afraid of our might can easily keep the
south weak and keep the north in the dark while they refuse our recognition and
instead use us.
@amal
True there are many sides to every issue, some of the questions we must ask in a critical manner are: what will recognition give us and as you mentioned what will union give us. I for one am of the opinion that we should take a middle road toward recognition/union and reach a mutually satisfying agreement with Somalia, one thing is certain so long as Somalia is in chaos so shall Somaliland be also underdeveloped their success is ours and ours is theirs.
Dear Amal,
Do you want us to teach you Somali history? When you are asking those simplistic questions, such as: “what will recognition give us?” is far from critical question, it is very simplistic question walaahi. Let me ask you a question: Do you know what did take place from 1950 to 1968? If you can answer that question, then you have your answer. But your problem is this: you have not studied Somali history where you can easily find the answers to your simplistic and naiveté questions. Go back and read Somali history.
@Zamira
I never
say no to learning so go ahead what books do you recommend?
The
reason I ask the question “what
will recognition give us?” is that so many people assume recognition
will give us everything we want, where in fact it can further complicate the myriad
of problems we already have which include Corruption, Nepotism Clan Conflict
and Clan Competition) so it is a legitimate question to ask, perhaps you can
make your views on how recognition will impact on the above mentioned?!
Did you mean 1960 – 68?
Agree with you, good thinking. The thing is our people will never agree on full union but middle path should be explored so that the Somalis are not divided. We need to be able to protect our borders south and north as a united Somalis and protect our resources. Self rule federal states with equal powers and all inclusive central federal gov should be looked into aswell, it needs negotiation and understanding. Recognition and full separation can further complicate things. It can also mean limitation, restriction, minimisation etc It needs both sides to be honest and open. I hope khair insha Allah and peace and solution to all Somalis.
Dear Amal,
The questions you raise indicate that you have not studied Somaliland or Somalia history. I think your questions are very simplistic. Sister, try to read and study Somali history and you will come up with more difficult questions. It seems to me now that you are simply asking questions stemming from your thinking, but does not have any substance. Read history and come back.
you and zamira keep telling Amal learn history. what dont you touch upon on the history that is so bad you dont want take. if you mean the hawie and daarod beat you isaaq in politics badly in early day i bet you are right and they are still doing it. if you mean there was 50 ooo isaqs killed in 1988 you maybe correct but what is allso correct hawiye killed 200 000 daarods habar gidir killed 20 000 abgal and abgaal killed 100000 habar gidir. there is nothing unique about somalis bloody history and unfair political landscape. now the million dollar question how marginalized clans like your and mine dal with the new somalia? i think my clans has dicided to take the train and yours is in the platform waiting a train with the destination name “ixtiraaf” which somalia has not put in to service yet
@6026823668f563f6d90e748fac303bf8:disqus
Your Clan has taken the train???
4real you seem to enjoy that Uganda, Kenya, Ethiopia, Djbouti, Burundi, Rwanda and AU TRAIN. Damn nigger Hi5 and enjoy it. More Bantus for your beds.
Good luck on 21more years of TRAINS… :)
be careful of somaliland extremists lol
great questions Amal. to answer one of them, Somaliland will seek ecomomic and peace partnership with Somalia and will never be in competetion with it or stoop low to pursue violent end with Somalia. It had 21 years in which Somalia was vulnerable if it wanted to, but that is not what defines us. We are nation of good character and peace loving. But rest assure we will defend our interests or when attacked. in short it depends the type of leaders somalis in Somalia choose to run their affairs and the course they want to take, whether they are for peace or mischief. We will find out
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this new style sucks, nobodys even bothering to comment on and why do I have Somaliland flag on my display picture?? ”lowering My Eyebrow”
kkkk imagine me and you carrying other blue flag is like the end of th universe.
this website is an example of african dictator mindset with everyone carrying one flag.avater. some kind of socialism if you know what i mean by the way you can watch the presidential inaguaration live online today with a lot of foreign presidents attending.
Wanlawayn I want the blue flag dee, loool the blue flag is all I ever known. Really I’ll watch it later insha’allah
Go back to xamar katumo if u want to see blue flag simple becoz SL flag Will stay forever.
no she will stay in buudoodle and las qoray and las anod with blue flag and there is nothing you can do
Garaad buudoodle people seem to accept very well Ethiopia flag in other part of city, so i am quite sure Sl flag is less difficult to accept lool
lool what you mean go back to Xamar, I have never been to Xamar Caddey in my entire life. I’ll tell you what I’m going to back somalia next year especially my home city Ceerigabo and burn all the seperatist flag, just like alshabab’s.. and bare in mind nothing stays forever
lol how can you burn that flag with the shahaadah, whether union or seperation is agreed uppon it won’t be brought down.
Loool I was just messing with Hornid I wouldn’t want spend my holiday burning flags I would rather chill at beaches sipping Caano Geel lool
plus Alshabab flag has Shahadah too, one of many things Somaliland and alshabab have in common
Fantastic article firstly…Much written, much said and the struggle continues to correct the error of our forefathers that plunged us head first into a Viper ‘s pit. 52 years of devastation for all in the union and there is no immediate end in sight.
The biggest IMPEDANCE of Somaliland’s recognition since 1991 has not been LEGALITY, LEGITIMACY or LEAGUES of determined nations. INSTEAD it has been the LEGACY of the People of Somaliland to act in a predictable manner specifically speaking to remain JUST and HONORABLE at all times despite the need for total descent of character in the political arena.
When in the land of the 1-eyed one must consider blinding oneself in an eye. Somalilanders have yet to understand the crude nature of politics, there is no RIGHT or WRONG in politics and there is no place for those constantly choosing to hold the moral high ground inspite of its lack of advantage.
When one examines the action of the two parties the politicians of Somalia have held nothing back in assuring they sustain the UNION even when they have nothing to offer Somaliland. Their action is not based on true desire for the union no not at all it is simply based on the knowledge that they have influence on Somaliland’s recognition. They have already made their decision and their stance is one of opposition to that which is beneficial to SOMALILAND… Somalia gains nothing from status quo and they know there is no benefit to claiming a state they do not control and will never ever control not even with Military power.
On the other hand SOMALILANDer’s actions and attitudes are more inline with a people who respect the union more then their counter parts. They refrain from necessary retaliation to actions of Somalia, they welcome their enemies as though they have desire to sustain relationship with them POST-Independence… Why? for Somalinimo? walatinimo? Dhiig iyo Diin? . The action of Somaliland are more inline with a State determined in creating Somaliweyn.
Independence was an alternative option in 1991 and i am certain to this day it is still an alternative option for Many in power within Somaliland. Until Somalilanders begin to understand why it was necessary for the Siyad regime to wish to totally exterminate their entire population without mercy old, woman and child they are not worthy of independence. Until Somalilander’s are willing to defend independence like they defended their lives during the 1980ies and 1990ies then they have not understood the meaning of independence and they will only throw it away again like they did in 1960. Tell me when will we be ready to die for Somaliland independence and i will tell you when independence is near…
Buuxiye, I really like the way you explained. Why don’t you expand it a little bit and make it an article. I honestly believe it would be an interesting article. Consider it.
You guys are wasting your time and lives. No one is going to recognize one Money Transfer company as a country please come up with another way to beg.
Before it was few towns and now days its just one hawala and its employees who want secessionism. No one else.
I will recognize Western Union as Unionland too. Hersi Gaab and his al Shabab will not last. We going to catch him, Abdulazis Samale, religious “minister” and Dhiigshiil employees who all have links with al Shabab.
We know religious minister’s son recently fled from the south after al shabab got defeated in Afgoye.
CIA is on their money and communication trail. Don’t be surprised if the drones take out that Dhiigshiil HQ.
It is easier to hate Somali brothern rather than talk about what is happening in Harshin now. It is easier to seek recognition for smaller region after losing the Haud and Reserve Area. It is easier to divide and dismember your country rather than face your enemy. It is easier to claim that you led Somali unity when you are irrationally becoming strange bedfellows with our enemies.
Why Ahmed M Silanyo is tongue-tied about the massacre of our unarmed civilians and children?. Why do you talk about the genocide committed by Mohamed Siyad Barre adnoseum while you ignore the one that is taking place right now? Why do you collaborate with the enemy if you can not defend our people? Shame on you?
Allemagan, I don’t know why but some of the the things you mentioned is why I’m having conflicting feelings about separation. I think we can all do better and gain much under Somali republic. Somaliland and Ethiopia have fake friendship.
Somaliland is giving, giving and giving to Ethiopia and never taking anything. Are you guys scared of the few Tigrays or Liyu police?
They have invaded Somaliland even this week and killed 10 Sacad Muse men in Gabiley…
The only Isaaq that has heart today is Arab, who is telling the Habashi to go home and standing their ground. Why can’t you lot back that up, you all cry about Isaaq this Isaaq that?
You getting slaughtered one by one. Mid kastaba cidla laga helaay, so divided, so weak, all they see is Somalia and Siad Bare and Darood.
Even they dont want to face Liyu police is Habashi, they title them “Ogaden force”. Many of the Liyu police are Isaaq-Habashi including ina Dole, who is Eidagale, Yonis. I personally ride with him and in that week his forces killed more than 10 Isaaq men. He is killing them because he wants to recruit them to fight for Ethiopia against ONLF.
He was accusing them of helping ONLF or as they say “nabadiidka”.
They take advantage of the fact that few Isaaqis are emotional and want to divide themselves and the Somali Republic.
You will not exist in the next 100 years if you continue this path. Ina Dole wants 8,000 Isaaq force for Ethiopia, he wants to use them to climb the Habashi ladder. Go call him and I will justify against him.
Most of these Liyu police criminals are Eidagale, Ogaden, Isaxaaq, Gare and Dhulos. They are managed by four Habashi, one is in charge of Dhagaxbuur District and he visits Daroor occasionally and he finished the Isaaq there.
Most of them are now travelling from Burao to access Daroor, Gosayga, Wabi Caddee, etc, they travel to Goshaamo and even Gashaamo is under siege now.
Now they going to Gabileey to surround the Isaaq and make them retreat to the three towns of Hargeisa, Burao and Berbera.
These guys are too busy grieving and all they see is Darood and Siad Bare, they will never admit to the Ethiopian genocide thats going on. They will turn blind eye. They are either scared or don’t want to face the reality.
This is coming from an Isaaq who knows the truth, who travelled the land, who seen how Ethiopians have managed to make north Somalia like north Korea….slightly everyone lives in fear.
If you go to border towns like Labi-sagal, once the base of SNM, no one sleeps anymore.
Wabbi Adde is under siege, Daroor is gone, forget Gosayga, forget Ramaso, gone is Dekaada, Bariiqo, Abdi Yusuf is nothing but fear trucks enter and leave…
All Isaaq trucks are on the wanted list except one truck owned by one Isaxaaq man called Dahir aka Geenigorayo.
I know inside out and Ethiopian “refugees” are actually spies. They spy on everything in Hargeisa including trucks, before they even leave they report which truck is leaving…which would be okay but those Liyu Police banned everything including food.
They want the locals to buy it from Jigjiga by force or Addis Ababa which costs 10 times more than North Somali markets.
Puntland region is also the same but Puntland is not that connected to Haud when it comes to business. It is hitting Isaaqis hardest and Isaaqis who been in the diaspora since 1980s believe Ethiopia is their father.
They need reality check.
@keyse
imagine if dhulos or puntland or other somalis massacred the amount of genocide that ethiopia is carrying out in the Hawd region?
all isaqs will take their knives and fight. the truth is somalis are always fighting eaach other but run away from kenya
who made those Liyu Police anyway 2 years they didn’t even exist
They existed for more than five years but they were mainly operating in southern areas of the Ogaden not in Haud. Abdi Omar Iley used to head them and he wiped out entire Ogaden villages, remember the photos that used to show villages burnt to the ground?
They did that. Iley then got promoted and he took his force with him. They are Ethiopian foot soldiers, Liyu is an Amhara word meaning special, Special Police that is.
The militia have now turned the Haud into holocaust camps and last time they raided Buhoodle remember and took all the cars with them to Jigjiga.
They are the same idiots. No actual Ethiopian military is located in those regions…they are bunch of Somalis dying for Ethiopia.
I know few of them personally and their families disowned them.
Very sad and disgraful Wallahi, waa Geeljires guns loo dhibay.
typo: disgraceful
amal,
I am glad to see that you are having conflicting feelings about separation and balkanizing of our country. I am sure that will come to your own conclusions about what is right and wrong because it is obvious that you have both the maturity and education to evaluate issues.
I know that you are one of few individuals who remebers the position taken by people like Kayse and me. We could be as clanish as any Somali but we chose to stand for something bigger; a united Somalia that can defend our people and borders; a united Somalia that is not controlled by Addis Ababa; a united Somalia that doesn’t stand by when our citizens are being massacred; a united Somalia that does not choose to transport the 3 trilion barrels of oil in Kiliga shanaad that Ethiopia is trying to steal from our occupied territories. What if that oil was the only resource that will ever be found in the horn? what if that oil feeds Ethiopian children while our children go without? What if we lose what remains of our country as we try to divide it into 20 nonviable countries. Think abiut it.
Think about it that is…
Allemagan, Agree with what you say, it’s sad Ethipia has Somali territory. I heard when we lost it all Northern Somalis wore white band on their head to express their sorrow and grieve which is why they were hasty to unite with the south and look for Somaliweyn. Somalis are so divided and weak now. My aunty was twlling me a poem that begins with “tab teenay haayeen kuwaa tiiyga luulaya” They were like us those who are swinging the ties aka those smart men in suit were once like us. They fought, ate eachother up but then found a common ground and agreement through understandings and dialogue thus why they moved on and reached far. As it ends with tolaay ya reer hebel nin yiri gobonimo gaadimaayo, he who screams oh my clan oh my clan will not reach anywhere. Regardless of how much Somalisi hate eachother, they need to be united upon a common course.
Plus regardless of our tribal difference and clanish we should be able to stand up to defend our borders people and resources
@985f01b2a2d739d61ff581bf4027d989:disqus
Walaal Waxba Maskaxda ha iska daalin, Marka horeba Ilahaybaa Jilciyey qalbigiina dumar. Fahmimeysid ee aan runta kuu sheego offcourse it ismy version:
They will say somalinimo and steal all you have down to the toilet seat of your house as they did with hargeysa. They will say Walaltinimo and rape the grandmothers and molest the children as they did in Muuqa-dishu and Gaal-kaciyo. They will say islaanimo and after stealing and raping they made sure to put batteries in young girls so they don’t carry their children… They will forever be a monster await another opportunity to expose it’s fangs as they did when they raped entire city of Barawa with fathers and brothers watching in agony…
You really want these people to be related to you?
If you do and i am sure many are as innocent as you, then it is my assumed duty to ensure you never make any decisions for yourself and that i shield you from this invincible enemy who looks, sounds and acts like he is your somali walaal, islamic walaal acuudubilah.
If they have any individuals who believe in Xaq or understand Xaraam&Xalaal among them then i have yet to meet a single one.
Nations exist because they sacrifice a few to form a guard against all evil and Somaliland is no different some somalilanders will be that guard to witness the horrors that the majority will be protected from…
Like SNM there must be individuals who will sacrifice their souls to preserve Somaliland… I wonder if they exists sometimes
Allemagan,
You and Kayse are phony and a complete poseur individuals. You have always a burning desire of deferring the focus in different direction. There’s no animosity between Somaliland and Ethiopia, the 2 African nations are shared neighborly and friendly relationship based on mutual respect. Furthermore, Ethopia did not ask Somalilad to separate from Somalia, in fact, Somaliland single-handedly has had made a bold decision on it’s own. Thus, instead of showcasing your crocodile tears of pretending that you do care about a unity between Somalia and Somaliland maybe you should put your effort and time in stitching up what’s left in Somalia through healing and reconciliations. Mate, we aren’t running boy scouts here; Somaliland’s recognition is in the hands of Somalilanders..
Somaliland will never reunite so stop crying you baby
Allemagan
Waxa la yidhi “Laga barey laga badi”… The Achilles heel of Somalia-Italia is pursuit of Union. It is a Huge security hole through which every individual or nation with a vested interest in exploiting Somalia-Italia will crawl through. You see the problem with Somalia-Italia it’s population is not pure Somali i would hate to guess the actual number of Bantu citizens or Mixed ethnic citizens like the Barawani, Somalised-Oroma. You see the diversity is a blessing in time of peace however during war it can make or break nations.
Should Somalia-Italia choose to sustain an unproductive status quo of keeping the two states in a stalemate i am 1000% certain this action will never bring about peace or Love between the two populations. 21 years of denying the Rightful will and choice of the population of Somaliland will never be forgotten nor will it be simply erased from history. Everything that goes around has a way of coming back around with certainty. I for one am not enthusiastic about wasting resources or effort waging wars against another semi-Somali state in the horn of Africa i mean there 4such states Kenya, Ethiopia, Djbouti and Somali-Italia in comparison to Somaliland that is 100% pure Somali population with the exception of a few Arabs and Oromas.
Somaliland’s Purity is at stake, it’s heritage is at stake, it has found it’s destiny back in it’s own hands and it should never compromise this not for the warmongers, not for the deluded, not for the destitute and certainly not for Somali-italia that has Amisom+Kikuyu+Amhara breeding with their daughters via request. :) i have no hope left in this semi-Somali states where their populations have accepted being citizens of a multi-ethnic Horn of Africa states. NO THANKYOU
IF there was ever a hope of Somaliweyn it has died and not because there is anything wrong with such a venture but because 4out the “5-somali states” contain large populations of non-somalis and hence this whole project was a failure from the get go… Our forefathers were determined on executing an expansionist idea of exterminating non-somalis out of all 5-somali states to create a Somaliweyn without non-somalis… Acuudubillah ALLah has stopped out forefathers from this criminal action and now we are nearing the end of this dream.
The new reality is 1-Somali-state(Somaliland) & 4-Semi-somali-states(Djbouti, ethiopia,Kenya and Somalia-italia)… THE END
PERSONALLY i would arm Oroma, Digil&Mirifle, Bantus, Jareers and any group like Shabab if my only enemies are Semi-Somali states. The days of romacing somaliweyn are over my friends it is dog eat dog and i am willing to take part in HATING for i have exhausted the LOVING i had for “Somalinimo”.
I would negotiate with Puntlanders and assist them gain the control they desire over Moqadishu i mean it is not like they give a damn about eastern sool and sanaag dust bowls. Somalilanders have more land in Hawd then they would loose from their east-harti departures. I am not fan of holding on to the easter-edge i would grant them their wish and leave them at the mercy of their Puntland pimp, hell with no coast or airports they will crawl through puntland to ever have any significance and become the foot soldiers they were destined to forever be. The portion of Dhuulos who so wish to remain with somaliland i would also respect their wishes.
I don’t believe in holding onto our forefathers likes and dislikes along clan lines this is about politics and DAROOD must have by now realised that HAWIYE has wokenup and will not surrender control of Moqadishu or Somali-Italia to anyone else. DAROOD cannot gain control of moqadishu again so long as they sustain unnecessary hostility towards Somaliland that is so plain to see. The era of Brute force is over everyone is forming alliances along benefits the recent SELECTION process in moqadishu has highlighted the total insignificance of D&M and DAROOD in Somali-italia politics when the top 3-Candidates in the poles were all Hawiye. IT IS A NEW DAWN and rude awakening…
IF Darood want to even have a chance at the next election they need to mend their political strategy with Somaliland, Specially Puntlanders(Harti) when they are already a large stakehold in NEW business development in Many parts of Somaliland… It is time to invest for 2015&2016…
Dhulku ma kalago balse siyaasada inyar horta inoo kala saara… There is really no strategic reason for Somaliland or Harti to ever have any unproductive hostility… DIR Majority is in Somaliland and so does ISAAQ, friends of somaliland have a better chance of maintaining control of moqadishu. REAP WHAT YOU SOW… :)
Buuxiye/ or Buuxiso (bardon me your stlye of writing reminds a lady who used to fill her rants on the editorial pages of SomalilandPress),
You sure filled tribal politics on the whole page. I am not one who ever dignified clan and those with clanish mentality. You are trying to base my background on a common Somali name as you try to draw me into a fight at a camel well. It will not happen!
Buuxiye, my comment raised real issues that you did not discuss or discredit its authenticity in any way. Try again my friend.
Name calling?
I have come across many like you and when i am done filling them sometimes they are rehabilitated other times they simply serve to amuse for a moment.
If and when i come across something that is legitimately enlightening i will make sure to acknowledge or praise. So far you have made no contribution that i have found interesting.
“Do as i say and not as i do” have the hallmarks of ibnu-Jabarti wa Zuwali. I hope you are not of the group who want to rant all over the internet and cry foul the moment someone attempts to add a comment?
Feel free to criticize anything i say it is a free world but don’t attempt to censor me it gives me encouragement to continue further.
it seems you have some sort of mental disorder.
Buuxiye, Take it easy, if it is dog eats dog you could have done that in the Somali republic if anyone is good at that it was great snm but Somaliland is a reteat I’m afraid. It seems your fight is only with darood but the Somali republic nor the union is about darood. Breaking it into half may or may not be viable for all Somalis. Quit the clanism and come up with more rational argument. This sounds like a camel well fight. And who are friends of Somaliland? Hawie? I don’t think so. Oh I doubt unity is possible anyway since both side hate each other but if you are willing to let go our eastern side I doubt darood or Somalia would mind but then that is nothing but minimisation, tribal line, balkanisation, limitation etc isn’t their greater things to fight for than that? Neverthless I only hope a solution that is suitable for both and for all Somalis because hate and division will only harm us and our enemies would benefit from it greatly. Look how Ethiopia is benefiting. They killed two birds with one stone with their liyu police. They managed to keep ONLF at bay and they attack Somalis of SL origin in a daily bases. This will only exacerbate Somali divion since they use Somali foot soldiers.
Oh and one more thing “Our forefathers were determined on executing an expansionist idea of
exterminating non-somalis out of all 5-somali states to create a
Somaliweyn without non-somalis” Where did you get that? The non-Somali minorities would be living inside Somaliweyn, if that is criminal activity then what about the Somali lands and people occupied by non-Somalis?? If Somalia goes, Somaliland is next and vice versa. We became eachother’s enemies. For once can’t the Somalis concentrate how they can move foward. Bloody Africans. Time is frozen in Africa
well said amal. If we could only learn to live together as decent human beings. Life is passing by Somali people while they argue about nothing of substance. Compare any of our major cities to Addis Ababa, Campala or Nairobi.
No wonder our neighbours stole our lands.
@Amal where do i start?
I was you once long ago, staunch somaliweynist who suppressed every emotion simply to preserve what little value there was in the elusive Pan-Somali state. I cannot even convey to you the indignant remains of my past delusions.
There is truly no such thing as “Somalinimo”.
Human most basic instinct is self preservation individually, family, extended family then other relatives who support your existence in some form i.e clan, nation, religious group so on so forth.
Somalinimo has been politicized to a level where the mention of it has become a revolting after effect.
1. Somaliland is unique in comparison to the other 4-semi-somali states in that Somaliland is 100% pure Somali ethnic in population. ignoring an transient guests… :)
2. Like i said earlier i have no sentimental attachment to the far east nor do i have anything against those of them that wishes to have political association with Somaliland. To me this is one of the most insignificant issues that have been over hyped beyond merit and i pity the fools who believe they hold political relevance in the grand scheme of things when surely it is only the attention afforded them that puts them on a visible map.
3. The only legitimate unique case for STATEHOOD is that of Somaliland regardless of how many more years it takes to achieve. When two “Brotherly nations” entered into an agreement to unite their two states it was not on the basis that one who become the property of the other NOR that one who consume portions of the other, NOR that if things did not workout they would renegotiate new borders. In 1963 Kenya said to the NFD somalis if you wish to be part of another state i.e Somalia then the LAND will stay and you are welcome to move. 2 STATEs joined any separation will be along the same borders.
4. Being Each other’s enemies… :) well Somaliland is surrounded by enemies and it has survived just fine the only change being SOMALILAND accepting this and returning the favor. FORWARD for Somaliland equals Regaining it’s 1960 borders.
5. Somaliland’s only enemies are Somali in origins :) the same people that wanted to share the land once they erase you of the surface of this earth. Non-somalis in the horn of Africa are not my enemy nor are they the ones who want to harm my people. ONLF and LIYU do not harm CIISE simply because there is a recognized state called Djbouti in the horn.
Once Somaliland is recognised the entire political arena will change for the better. As for Hawd Isaaqs they need to work with their government and legal services to seek justice. If they are too lazy to take an active interest in their country then it is not Something that Somaliland is required to fix nor address publicly.
Somaliland’s only threats come from Somalis and primarily of the Darood bloodline what the hell is the point of pretending to be politically correct? What has Somaliland ever done to them? if anything needs to change it is their attitude towards somaliland. They will sing and dance with Tigrey and Kikuyu who oppress somalis but reserve all their rage for Somaliland. Nabsi is a bitch and history will certainly repeat itself when Alkaline batteries were being inserted in every Orpheus.
Fear only Allah[swt] and begin to do unto others that which they would like to do unto you! Somali coexistence is inevitable as the land is joined, however we will either respect other’s borders or the bullets can continue to fly till the end of time…
Buxiye, One thing I agree with you is that Somalinimo has been politicized since most of the people who hide behind unity and Somalihood are fake. But the Somali people should be able to live decently together and find a suitable solution peacefully because before you know it they’ll eat eachother up. I thought SL can greatly influence the Somali affairs and create strong Somali union in the horn but It is evident that Somaliland and Somalia are very unlikely to unite. Somalia doesn’t care if we seceed but leave khatumo (far east) and personally I don’t agree with compromising it since it was always part of SL. So yeah there are internal and external issues to consider. Not good to always just think tribal but to look at the bigger picture. Anways I hope khair insha Allah and hope one day Somali people will just learn to work together. If not as one nation then as two strong Somali states with strong partnership
If we get our acts together we as Somalis can dominate the horn politically and economically. But first we need to lick our wounds and look ahead and not be stuck in the past. Don’t let the past steal your present brother because losers live in the past. So if we cannot be united as one we have to finds ways we can be united as two brotherly states that can defend our people and borders from non-Somali enemies who are exploiting our differences
somalinimo folks like can’t stop nor can contribute something That is resourceful.your style of writing looks like someone release from mental hospital out of control.
@buuxiye.
What can l say this is a reality no urguments at all. The Gentleman has analaysed and expressed it politically and legaly. as l had been saying all the time that there was no string of legality that binding this bogus the so called unity and which had no respect in all aspect in development and statehood. there no other way that unity can be forced but is to accept the two neighboring Countries of the Republic of Somaliland and Somalia to live in peace and good harmony.
this article = Deja vue 1992 = somali union was illegal 2000 reocgnition is coming 212 hadaa nala I see tiraafayaa 3000? waar dee ictiraafkii waan heleenaayoo article kaanaa sheegay? kkkk
somaliland can separate from somalia on tribal borders & if they come out with the british colonial nonsense then we will just pretend like we are deaf.
somaliland can separate from somalia on tribal borders & if they come out with the british colonial nonsense then we will just pretend like we are deaf.
as long as somalis people fighting each other ethiopia will advantage of situation their are bank on the enormous hate we have for each other our neighbors smart manipulative conniving and they have been on this game so long that you need smart nation to deal with them which we do not have period.
Somalis are stuck on tribal issues in 21st century when the whole world moved on. God have mercy on them
We as Somali Community: We shouldn’t be immotional and irrational. Civil war had taken place in Somalia like America and many other countries. Many countries had dictators like Egypt. These dictators were killing anyone who disagreed them. For example, Mr Siyad Barre Destroyed Putland & Somaliland. After that General Aydid destroyed Mogadishu & Kismayo. There is no justification Putland to accuse the Mr Barre, Aydid & Hawiye-both had gone for good. Likewise, Somaliland should move on and accept that our capital is Mogadishu.
If we reject that. Surely, we ‘ll be greater Ethiopia. If we run away our brothers. We end up our ancient Enemy Ethiopia. Let’s be rational. be greater Somalia.
In 1960, Hero of Somalia sang. ”Dadkan
dhawaaqayaa
dhulkooda doonayaa
Haday u dhiidhiyeen
Allahayow u dhiib”
@8b91be11ddaeb9d8e57dacf410a7d1f5:disqus you comment are getting worse and worst and nonsensical I,m wondering if you bosses double personality or what because there is no other way putting it a woman you just saw her comment to say her oh dear you are woman and the nature of you kind is to have soft heart at same time try talk about somalian woman ordeal they went thru the civil war it is kind of disgusting unbelievable so I,m going to give you free advice less you make comment better it is you still can do it.I would not be interest reading good luck.
@disqus_CBBSi01jZF:disqus
I think she is able to answer for herself and has done so.
1. It was not me who committed inhumane crimes against Somali women and personally these acts of hate that were Clan motivated must be taught at schools so future generations are fully aware of their history and prepared to deal with those who committed crimes in a JUSTIFIED manner.
2. If i do posses multiple personalities well Alhamdullilah for i must be grateful for whatever Allah had bestowed on me.
3. You are entitled to your opinion and if i am to respect your opinion then i expect you to learn to respect that of others :)
You can be forgiven if you simply jumped to conclusions without comprehension. Accept my apology in the event that you were a victim of Clan hate crimes from the past and my mere mention has surfaced old memories for you.
your insane lost person.
Somaliland clearly will not get recognized… I believe we should stop seeking recognition and instead rebuild our country Somalia. Somaliland currently does not have defined borders. There is clearly a disputed area between Somaliland, Puntland State. and Khaatumo State in eastern regions of Somaliland territory (or so it claims…). If you want to know, my family are somalilanders. I personally originate from Hargeysa and I am Sa'ad Muse reer Ahmed- Isaaq. I am no "Puntlander" that is out to get "Somalilanders". I am just stating facts huno. My father and his family were strong supporters of the SNM, a movement that for decades fought only for good governance. Union was not questioned until the collapse in 1991. British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland, when preparing for independence, had the intention to create a unified Somali government. From Somaliland supporters, lies and false history perpetuates all over the web to make this recognition legitimate. The union between British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland was signed in front of parliament and binding. If Somalia, a legitimate government seen by all of the International Community, sees Somaliland as part of its territory then we must face the facts and make agreements with them. There is no country on Earth fully recognized that was not initially recognized by the country it is seeking to be independent from. Countries such as Taiwan (Republic of China) is a good example of this. The other breakaway states that you mentioned had a clearly different history and motive for secession. Most of these countries wanted to REUNITE with their own peoples at the time of making these states ( Especially for the separetions of the Soviet Union). What is considered as Somalia, to the entire international community, is entirely composed of a homogenous, small population of a people. Let me ask you, how can the world accept two seperate democratic government institutions and countries entirely composed of the same people who speak the same language and practice the same religion? It would just be the same sad story as North and South Korea, but even worse. Somalia's problems are EQUALLY Somaliland's problems. The internationally community has responded, yet we continue to bicker and not move forward. Instead, we should reunite and the fix the problems on the ground, rebuild our economy, and finally develop our country. May Allah SWT guide Somaliland and Somalia to what is khair. Ameen Thumma Ameen! Of course, Allah knows what is best for the Somali ppl.
Here you have shown that your too inferior by mentioning your Clan who cares. in your comment it shows also you lack many thing you lack History of what happened. if you talk about unity it is we who came to the unity with good course and in the first place they refused us ,The first President of Somalia said go back and make your govt and then you can come back and talk about unity he was right you should understand that first. Secondly you said that the union was signed at the Parliament well and good do you have a copy of it l really need to see it but in fact that is not true, thirdly if your really from Somaliland can you tell me the truth what development did we get from this shamble unity the answer is nothing other than a burden so shut up.
The people of Somaliland have decided and there is no way back to the Underdevelopment.