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Somaliland: Ministers suggest Haj boycott over passports
September 3, 2012 · 155 Comments
HARGEISA — Somaliland ministers became strongly divided during a heated meeting of Cabinet over the thorny issue of Somali passport on Thursday, SP reports.
The debate was aimed at addressing the ban of the former green Somali passport by the government of Saudi Arabia. Ever since the collapse of the Somali Republic, the green document was used by Somali pilgrim makers traveling to the Kingdom for the annual Haj.
It was last year that Somalia’s Transitional Federal Government officially banned the use of the green travel document. The Somaliland government refused to accept its replacement, the new electronic passport.
Thursday’s meeting failed to produce any outcome on the issue after ministers failed to agree on a united front. Some of the ministers led by Presidential Minister, Hirsi Ali Haji Hassan, called for the boycott of pilgrimages in Makkah. He suggested that performing Haj was the right of every Muslim and protesting the Saudi decision was the only way forward.
Other ministers including the Religious Affairs, Interior and health minister had different views. They called for the usage of Somalia’s new biometric document. They argued that religion rights should not be politicised and business should continue as normal.
Other ministers were in a dilemma on who to back on the issue and the debate failed to produce any solid decision.
Residents have strongly criticized the remarks by Hirsi and Deputy Education minister Nimo Qawdhan suggesting that almost all ministers had foreign passports. They said it was not right for them to take one passport over the other. Some insisted that if they were going to ban any passport, they should add their own foreign passports to the list.
It was just last week when local newspapers revealed that 95 percent of Somaliland officials including President Ahmed Silanyo held foreign documents. It was discovered that the head of Somaliland intelligence agencies held Ethiopian passports and now people are beginning to believe that many could be spies for Addis Ababa.
The debate on the Somali passport is expected to continue sometime in the coming weeks. If Hargeisa does ban or boycott the pilgrim, which is compulsory for Muslims that can financially afford it, Somali worshipers may travel to neighbouring countries enroute to Saudi Arabia.
The Saudi Kingdom refuses to recognise Somaliland’s official passport and regards it as an integral part of the Somali Republic.
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September 3, 2012
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The Haj is round the corner and debating Passport issues at this late stage is outrageously
ridiculous. It's almost mid-term 2-1/2yrs since the Govt of Kulmiye party were in power, and
there's no excuse that Somaliland should have by now come up with good solutions concerning
the Somaliland Passport. This is a good failure on the Silaanyo's Govt. However, at this late stage,
the Silaanyo Govt should find a quick way out with the Saudis to facilitate smooth haj pilgrimate
for the Somaliland pilgrims for this year. The Saudis should facilitate ways to help both Somaliland
and Somalia. There' should be no complications in this complulsory Godly Divine deity islamic
yearly hijriah obligatory mandate. Meanwhile the Somaliland authorities should find ways to resolve
the Somaliland Passport with the IC as a whole.
Cheers.
Somalilandpress,
Congratulations for joining Qarannews tabloid news networks. Writing such cheap and baseless news and giving platform to anti-Somaliland rogue personalities venomous personalities like Keyse aka Allemegan, Sahra and countless other names, will only makes Somalilanders boycott your website.
Good luck with your new found popularity with Somaliland-haters.
You Habashi-landers are only good at one thing, running away. Boycott this boycott that, isolation. Go lock yourself inside Morgan's house like the rest of them. Who cares.
Are you inside Australian mental health ward? The way you write words seems to me as if you are on some kind of mental health medication.
Dhugtame..not qarannews tabloid news networks but in all likelihood a subsidiary associate
of Hiiraan. Is it possible that Sldpress and Hiiraan are together in business? I doubt that Sldpress
is no longer a Somalilander?
Cheers.
Dhugtame,
Qarannews is another bad Somalilander tabloid. But Sldpress is no longer a Somalilander?
Cheers.
@dhugtame the problem is not with me or somaliland press. It is not secret any more that is no longer dream to have what you have all dreamed about. As you know well, Today so called Somaliland council meeting agreed that all Hargeisa, and Berbera people can use Somali International Passport. Do I have to tell you anything more. Mr……….Dreamer……………CIAO.
I woud not any comment even slightly criticizing Siilaanyo because the editor of this wesite will immidiately omit it. This is the manner he adopted ever since he was invited to Hargeysa by none other than Siilaanyo many months ago.
Somaliland became the joke of the year. hahahhaha
no ur mom is though hahahaha
khaat addict morals who can't even differentiate male and female's name.
99% so called Sland officials have Somali republic Passport and they won't let use other people.
Another blow to your S/LAND
u lied dude somaliland is gone just stop crying and move on maaaaaaaan
Leave our passport alone then maaaannn !!
kkkkkkkkkkk
if you animals keep talking i will not send anymore aid money to zoomalia.i will let your children starve
Ohhh i think i spoke to early with you have a brain which iyou dnt. If you stop giving poor kids money loooool its only bad for you muslim brother. You are pleasing ALLLAH SWT if you give money to ppor kids.
somaliland should allow its people to use the djibouti passport if our brothers across the border allows us to since we have more in common with them than with zoomalis lool
viva djibouti and somaliland – the two dir-majority states
they should use any passport they can find because it is the hajj and the hajj is more important than any other issue.
Well well you do have a brain kkkkkkkk
Abdiwahab even if Djibouti want to allow that, don t forget there is Quota by country and Djibouti with his small population could not do that without compromising his quota.
Al-xawayaan abdiwahab idiote,if you want to use djabuti passport Than MOVE to djabuti AL-AKBAR XAWAYAAN.your brian must be in reverse gear.
AL-dameeerow kaboon, similer your brain needs MRI SCAN.
Where is True Slanders ? I dare you to say
Something back on that matter !
We live in a hypocritic world where leader
make law only for the poor and the weak !
Let see how SLand official Will travel if they
Are compelled to give up their foreign passeport !
I bet you all the oil of somalia that this law Will
Suddenly disapear !
Hypocrite sorry !
what oil kkkk
We still looking for your answer on that
Matter Kaboon ! The truth is your whole
Life in western countries is build on somalia.
Foreign passport granted , asylum, census, etc
I Will recognize a True somalilander the day
One of your people will refuse to be granted asylum
Under the somali passport !
if the what is so called "somaliland government" was really serious about the somaliland project, here is some simple questions for you:__1. Why there isn't a basic infrastructure in somaliland after that 21 years of progress?__2. Why somaliland's leaders have been busy waging a long campaign (including lies) against anything that is connected with somalia for 21 years?__3. do you think it is acceptable to express admiration to Meles zenawi while his police are raping, killing and randomly taking somali persons from area to area by force?__4. Who is really benefiting from this project?__5. Was siad barre against those called "somalilanders", or he was against anyone who carried out a thread against his regime?__6. Why somalis fought against siad barre?__7. Who outlined the borders of somaliland?__8. Why "somaliland's government" is tribalistic?__9. Does everyone in somaliland agrees on this project?__10. Don't you think that loads of people in somaliland have joined this project just because they were indoctrinated or somehow had no other option but nowadays they have access to other voices and surely they know what they should have known 20 years ago?
ilyas, well said body, to answer some of your questions, Said barre was against anyone who doesn't support his regime. it didn't matter whether they were Marehaans or Isaaqs. seconly not everyone from the region support this sectionist enclave just some deluded invididuals who can't see no further than the end of thier nose.
ILYAS.
These are all good fair questions if dilusionist can answer.
These are sensible questions for those who got the brain to act on good judgment and practical ideas. Because, the reality is cristal clear and it doesn't need too much of an effort to understand. Anything beyond that, is either tribally or personally motivated and a good person with a good will does not carry hate for his own family.
@ilyas
Before I answer to your questions, please answer the following questions.
1) Why did you support Siad Barre and his barbaric regime until the last minute? Was it a clannish motivated support or personal interests of few people? 2) What did your Sool and Buhodle provinces gain from the 30 years of Somali unitary governments and why were they the least developed regions? 3) Do you think that you can contribute any tangible benefits to other Somalis while you terribly failed to co-operate and live peacefully with your neighbors whom you share blood, land and many other heritages?
When you answer these questions sincerely and properly, then I will try to answer yours!
Abdullah,
I'll answer your questions, because i have no problem in answering them at all but can you answer my questions?
here is your answers:
1. I've never supported siad barre neither my family did so.
2. Sool and buhodle are part of somalia just like hargeisa and barbara and if you are going to blame anything to what happend to the somalis at that time you should blame the government not a specific clan because i think you know that silaanyo and riyale were part of it.
3. of course, unity is the strength in everything. if we are united then we can easily be the best country in east africa. Today is different than yesterday my friend, you need to have a dynamic vision to understand this. If you are concerned with development, then just be aware that somali regions are going to be directly governed by their own local administration rather than a central government.
I am waiting for your answers, hope they'll be coming
What a joke; Somaliland is bigger than a mere travel document. Those who making this a big deal are delusional if they think Somaliland will go back running to the failed of Somalia over this issue. On the other hand, the Saudi Authorities will answer to Allah for barring Muslims from fulfilling their religious duties. Mecca & Medina should be separately managed ala Vatican. I totally support the Minister Hersi Ali Haji Hassan and the others who are advocating a boycott of the Hajj.
@abdiwahab stop talking please
whoooaaa calm down wifey are u missing me from dusty garowe loool. maybe if u be a good girl ill bring back a extra large fish for dinner as a way of saying sorry ok baby
@sahro,
well said your comment,NO need to reply to These folks,abdiwahab,kaboon, and few other diluted persons in This forum.
Your hate for Somaliland aside, ultimately the Saudi government is at fault discriminating against Muslims. They are criminals, policing the Haj…the holy place where there should be no obsticles placed for any muslims rather than facilitating it. It is been done to muslims of Iranian origin and now to Somali people.
Besides Somalilanders can debate and do what they want as sovereign State.
Somaliland government has the jurisdiction and capability to handle it's own affairs.
Thus, boycotting over a travel to Mecca is the right move by the Somalilander government.
Saudis are imposing restrictions on Somalilander Pilgrims due to mere political issues. It's time the world should pay a closer attention at the authoritarian and expired kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
It's time the ordinary Saudis to stand up and seek a quick change at the political front of KSA as it run by one family and everyone else is treated as a second class citizen, needless to say women and colored people are literally considered slaves in KSA. The world had evolved dramatically over the last 70 yrs. why not KSA.
Osman Qaal
well said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6KBmF4bMkg Jaalle Said Barre in Berbera where thousands of people all cross W/Galbeed region welcomed him with flawers and somali republic flag. this day is nothing but a memory to many young generation today. lets all hold hands together and bring back our country once known one of the best country in Africa.
Ok Ahmed let,s do again a union but with original 5 Somali regions this time and not only fake 2. I advice walawayn to start to recapture Somali galbeed quickly as Ethiopia is now weak without Zenawi…Come on boys don t be afraid.lol
Indeed. Ahmed seems that he doesn't has any impression about what the five corners of the white star in the center of the light blue flag was standing for. He even forgot that the Republic of Djibouti was one corner of that white star, even though she has been a different country more than 35 years. Hence, I concur with the hornid's proposal to Ahmed.
the problem with reer waqooyi brothers is that are too fast and emotional. you have to build a house from its foundations and then the roof at the same token you cant have a passport if you are not recognized. how can Saudi recognized sl passport if they don't recognize sl? by the way most people go to garowe for passport for hajj i don't think they will ask siilaanyo if anyone has money they will simply get somali passp to go hajj. boycotting hajj while you can is haraam especialy for poliical reasons
s/land folks should get a neighbouring passport other than zoomalia since we have less in common with them than our other neighbours yoo get me lad
We need no recognition from nobody. We are home!
the kingdom of saudi arabia has right to know who coming in their country stop blaming other your own problems
The Saudi Kingdom AKA Kingdom of A'uudi Billah turned the HaJJ into thier little family business. and Landers should stop complaining and use thier Somali passort as they are part Somali republic technically. Believe me if Alshabab can be eliminated all southern regions such as Bay, Bakool,Banadir, Hiiran, Gedo, Lawer Jubba, Middle Jubba, Lower Shabelle and Middle Shabelle so can the few separatist in Waqooyi/galbeed region. like Abdillahi Mahamed Suldan Timacaade said, dugsi maaleeh qabyaaladu waxeey dumiso mooyaane let's preach LOVE and Unity.
It isn't necessary for Somaliland and Somalia to have political ties. There're other important areas such as trade and security they can be united, if agreed on both sides. The 2 nations will never ever share the same government system again, that era is over. Some of you may not like it but that's the way is going to be.
Osman Qaal
@osman5
who wants your traitor ass? you have been misled to believe that somalia is desperate for your tribal village enclave. nope we don't your ass, your nothing but traitor who has betrayed & backstab as thousands of times.
Osman Qaal, I personally believe people back home will decide, they know what's good for them, not us diaspora. and everyone benefits unity.
Really! But we cannot go back 30 years my friend! Think before you post smthg! No Offense!ok
the benefit I gained from Somaliland & Somalia Unity 30 years ago is for me becoming a Refugee in 1994 at the tender age of 9 years!
Never again!
Khaatumo citizen.
Talking about the elimination of Alshabab, you are missing the whole political impasse of
Mogadiscio and Garowe. You should know that everybody in the Somalia roadmap is Alshabab
warlords, whether Amisom/IC supported or Alshabab fighters…the whole system is politically
deffective and evil. In my poor thinking power and without prejudice, the only quick resolve
chance that Somalia has, is some kind of Islamic system Govt, similar to the new Muslim Egypt Brotherhood power and the anti-military islamic power of Turkey..Iran is another independent
Islamic power as well. De jure Somaliland is a democratization Sovereign State by itself,
functioning outside the scope of Somalia Roadmap. Uptill now, All Somalis, notwithstanding
refugees crisis, have never been a serious threat to the National Security of the KSR!. Therefore,
in the interests of peaceful Haj performances, the KSR should be able to find a good solution for
the Somaliland and Somalia citizens Haj problems of this year.
Cheers.
Mo cheers you have a habit of being against anything good that happens in somalia. trust me on this one Somalia will give peace a chance this time. Alshabab were the main threat.
lol…. you know ain't even bad at you, because somaliland have long line of hater. we have been there before,even using tanks and military to destroy most of somaliland citizen. half of somaliland people died during that 1987-1992 and today we have only people who hate somaliland because how we achieved and progressive goingforward. if we had ability stay on during that time. we will should reach our goal soon. inshallahi….asked yourself who was stronger alshabb or somali nation army before you mention elimination of few dozen men out .
Somaliland will be Somaliland whether you like it or not. this country will survive the cheap tactics of the rest of so called Somali brothers. I have no doubt about that, because I know for sure that Somalilanders have to be on their guard always against their fellow Somalis whose hate for slanders is real and growing. Somalilanders will not allow a new genocide to happen. Some of those who are using the cliche phrases like we are one nation, one religion, one origin, Somalis are brothers, and such as you are angry for too long or it time to come together as a nation ……. are nothing but offensive. enemies of every Somalilander, and Left overs of the hate oriented Faqaa666sh. to all those who hate to see us thriving and prospering day by day the lord sees your hateful hearts. Our kids kids will remember and know what happened and will avoid you like a plague.
@ Cimraan speak for yourself do not speak for the rest of us thank you
cimraan is not speaking for dar00ds mr sahra aka piratelandgeezer
Allahu Akbar! siilaanyo iz munafiq for suggesting to boycott going to hajj. most somalilanders have totally left islam decades ago. its really amazing how far somaliland will go to achieve independent.
hajj is one of the five pillars of Islam & Its mandatory to all muslims to perform Hajj in their lives at least once in their life. religion should not be mixed with politics.
Somalia will be better without somaliland, let's just give them independent these people are pure ignorants but khaatumo state is the guardian of Somali unity & those Awdal State if they want to join these ethiopians puppets than Gud FOR them!!!
dar00d scum. dar00ds worship money and idols. they advocate piracy and prostitiution in the mosques in the village of boosaaso. dar00d islam isfake please stop trying to impose it on us real muslims
lol your president siilaanyo iz munafiq.
trun to real islam dar00dgeezer
The name of your sub clan plaza
You don't bring religion into politics. Boycotting Hajj? Recognition over Allah?. No, no, no!
@hoyoo
In Islam Religion and politics are one and the same…Politics outside the scope of Religion
is called un-islamic. All Religions control Mother Nature's universal behaviors. All humanly
scientific progresses, including politics are subjected to the checks and balances of Nature's
code of religious laws. Freelance man made laws devoid of Religous Godly knowledges,
such as gays, lesbians, all the badly vices etc. are the Satan's laws etc. In short, any human
made laws without Religions of God are never pure?
Cheers.
@hoyoo,
Also pse understand, if the Custodian Saudi Govt complicates the Somalis Passports,
specially Somaliland, then the Somaliland Govt has every right to advise their citizens
to stay away from the HAJ until such time the two Govts find the proper solutions.
Religion is all simply and smoothly applicable and not harshly.
Cheers.
Somaliland must protest against this issue and raise its serious concerns to KSA but the Muslims of Somaliland should not be made to miss their hajj for mere political reasons. Hajj is the duty of every Muslim
You should go the Hajj once in you're lifetime if you can afford. What does afford mean? It means if circumstances permit . If we are being told we should believe in something called Somalia in order for us to be considered Somali race before we are considered a Muslim ummah ?? Then we are in conflict, oppressed cannot afford to pledge allegiance to that which we do not want care for and see as a threat to us? Then we are under circumstances forced and we cannot help. May Allah forgive those who create problems that are not necessary to others which stops them from fully enjoy all that has been given to them as a right from birth.
They create enemies for us, They create poverty, war, famine and hate. They create genocide and put my race against me. Oh Allah, I pray that you relief us from this burden. Aamiin. I pray that you let the sea part our lands and give us a clear path to rid us of this burdern. Aamiin.
What is the fuss here? Let the fanatics who believe there will be a recycling after their death go and throw the stones at the man made statues as devils standing on their way to paradise !
Ignore that fake Kayse, one of the Isaaq-Habashi feeling the heat from me.
They rather be spies for Ethiopia than travel with Somali passport to perform Hajj. This is how much they hate for themselves (Somali) reached. From now on, please begin to use Isaaq-Habashi to describe them and Habashiland not SOMALI-land.
They have nothing to do with us Somali people. They are minority and soon we going to send them back to Harshin camps. Let us first rebuild Somalia and have a government and they will be on the run. We don't want Habashi spies on Somali territory. They should move back to their refugee camps.
the day dar00ds control us is the day somalia will be flooded with their blood. if you dar00ds know what is good for you, you better stop .
whineforit and kaboon you both need be admitted metal hospital fast
@sahra, We aware of who is in need? Surely, you don't think we are all naive like you? Followers like you. You're kind destroyed and now want to tell me who I am?? Walee some have lost all reason and logic. Somaliland isn't returning and believe me no amount of war will. Somalia is a creation created by man not an obligation. You, Kayse and Puntlandgeezer preach a new belief that isn't acceptable. Simple
Sahro,
MOST OF ISAAQ-HABASHI ARE SUFFRING SOME SORT OF MENTAL DISORDER.SO,IGNORED.
this website is not for dar00d scum. why are you here go and read your dar00d trash
Al-xawayaan kaboooon.
Everyone visits This website,go take your medication beacuse your going crazzzzy.al-xawayaan.
@Kayse
I don't have a time to psycho analyse where all this hate coming from, but i will give you an advice which might lead to your self actualization. "KEEP BARKING" I THINK THIS WILL REDUCE YOUR EARLY CHILDHOOD TRAUMA
@Kayse
i used to label isaaqs as the same, used to call them traitors, double crossers, backstabbers until I met my wife. i kno for sure my wife iz one of the gud isaaqs folks lyk yourself.
can you plz teach about isaaq sub clans, i wana kno which sub clan is a triator & which one is somaliweyn.
thanks mate!!!
@Puntlandgeezer,
Back to your old habits..my wife iz eh? kan geezer kii kayse isagaba ka sii waalan maystirahdeen?
Kayse lol kan adigu ku jeeda'e bal indinka isku roadmap'e inar waalidadii wax ka tuus lol.
Tan sahra aday kula haysate Geezerna mays heeleen yaab? lol.
Cheers.
Tell me What iz your sub clan.
Shows what a racist you are if you can see your wife as different to you. What a loser who just wished to bed Isaaq woman as if you will be empowered by such companion. Sad loser.
Certainly he is different, he is gaboye(midgan) like our brother bisinka mentioned, if he is at all telling any truth. we haven experience with such people and lies is food for them to feed upon, otherwise if marrying a woman of other nationality is status, i myself am married many darood women,including maybe his own sister if he is not gaboye, so why keep mentioning a woman always or maybe some womanhood in his blood himself.
cheers now
Don’t offend other somali tribas whether is gaboye or isaq habashi….
puntland geezer reason they losing the war not because out side clan but with inside that should tell the goodness of the real isaaq patriots
Please go o school and learn English…LOL.
Good News, the time for Somaliland to sent paratroopers to capture the Hajj and liberate it for all believers around the planet to travel it without the Fitnah of passport as they use to do for centuries to seek Allah’s blessing and forgiveness is not farfetched. What a worthwhile adventures and a rewards from our merciful Allah are on the way. In the meantime let us pray that Allah (swt) provide our Hajj goers, swift way out from such low level anti Islam politics. Long Live Somaliland
hello can some body tell me if the somalilandpress administrator alive . or he is kidnapped by the pirates I don't believe he is alive. why he didn't stop these trash people who call themselves somali and the only thing they know is how to hate Isaaq people . low of the low
madam hodan somaliland press news headlines from somaliland somalia and the world this is not for only understood.
sahro.
isaaq-habashi(waaga ayaa u baryey).The reality knocking Their doors They been telling fake lies Their own people more Than 20 years.well,i guess time is up for Them now.They have two choices etheir move to GANDHO region habashiland or build Their own regions and be part of SOMALIA which is unavoidable.
Kayse lol I know that you are the mastermind of all the xaarwalwaal warriors you gathered
from all over Somalia battling around Sldpress lol Am least bothered though. However, what
bothers me more is what will be your job and how you would rehab your followers when
Somaliland is recognized? That's my main concern for you inar kayse lol.
Cheers.
Mo Cheers,
Inar these people are speaking their own minds and after 20 years of lies; the lies are catching up with themselves. No more lies. Silanyo and his warlords are profiting from your emotions by presenting themselves as a solution to disturbed guys like you. For once stop and ask, why are you running away?
Yes Somalia suffered and Siyad was a ruthless dictator but you should see the blight of our people. 80% unemployed, no water, no roads, no cleaning, no recognition, no services, no government.
It is not worth it. We have to capture Silanyo and his gang and hand them to the ICC for their crimes and treason against the Somali State.
People only want jobs, healthcare, time to relax with friends and family—-no one cares about the emotional thing called Somaliland. Not everyone is a victim of Siyad. If you lost people, properties, etc, why should everyone else mourn with you and be held hostage?
We gave you 20 years to get over it and now its our turn to reunify this nation and correct the past mistakes. Your grieving is over. Every widow has to stop crying at one point.
There is no recognition, tell me when you going to stop grieving?
kayse.
That is true,all These services That you mentioned it does not exist somaliland region,it was 20 years of selling fabricated lies own citizen.but The good news is Their time is up confuse isaaq-habashi, now is The time The real somali-isaaq,dhulbahente,gadabiirsi,warsangeli and other communities live nothern somalia should take The lead,and build The whole north it will be very beneficial to local people and all somalis.
Kayse lol Somaliland grieving is wrong. Somaliland democratization good governance
have come a long way over the past 21 years as compared to the roadmap Somalia.
Everything else you said is categorically lame low level crap. There's no common ground
between ourselves for as long as you choose to defy the Silaanyo's and his good Govt
powers to exist.
Cheers.
mohamed cheer i though you were one of the smart man in this website you disappoint me if you think after twenty-one year there is recognition coming for somaliland but it does not hurt to dream
sweet dreams all of you better not make comments I do not like cheers.
Masha Allah, Somalia belongs for the Peaple of Somalia no boders inside the country have take the Passport of the Federal Democtratic Republic of Somalia. we somalis recognise Somaliland as a state not as a government.
TO: all concern.
it does not realy make any sense to me or anybody with functioning brain if people willing to USE old green somali passport for haj and rejecting The NEW ELECTRONIC METRIC PASSPORT.
No wonder some folks They so diluted They lost Their way.The old green one will have no value after 10 sept officailly, becuase That is when somslis will have new president,new face,new future. The new metric passport will become nationally all over The world recognize somali republic passport.
i dont come from either northern somalia or southern somalia but a somali from NFD somali region in kenya . i,m suprised at the the administration that call itself s/land how low they have sunk in religious matters to incite a muslim purblic against hajj over a secession dream . these guys need basics lectures on 101 international relationship . they cant have anything like recognition or indepence with out the consent of somalia …. that is the crude reality . they either remain like this "dreaming " for a century or come back to the fold . guys you talk like you rule the world but the world know you better . all the roads are leading to xamar including the the one of hargeisa.
Abdisalam how u feel to be under control of kenya ? Listen folk, i prefer to be somalilander without recongnition but free than under occupation. By the way your master kenyan just call u so don waste ur time here otherwise he wont be happy looll. Hope still to be helped by Xamar for ur freedom? lol
I m a free man in a free country not in a clan enclave calling itself a repurblic . I m proud to be a somali and a kenyan i would not bother to hold eithers passport .i m suprised they way u guys have sunk to low to incite the purblic against hajj.that is pathetic.
Cheap guy from Easlegh, eh.
cheap …. mr expensive do you know that eastleigh can pay your desperate administration for the coming fifty years . with no games to play your administration has decided to play your dirty politics with the religion .cheap indeed.
Abdisalan.
well said,revenue collected from eastleigh can build schools,hospitals,roads,pay all local regional addmin employees easliy in somaliland region.
As always This regional addmin plays around anything including religion matters to get little attention like a child,in other word They are lost Their way around in many ways.
this man has a kukuya spirit in himself……….somalis can only be brothers if every country respects the others nfd should be respected and not teased as slaves or living under christans and not fighting them and picking verses from the quran same like the region 5 in ethiopia djoubuti and so on
i respect all Somalis regardless of the boundaries or the administration they come under . i,m pissed by the hajj issue .it is unbelievable that your hatred against somalia can drive you to such desperate decision. it is a shame.
If this true i am very disappointed in Somaliland. Boycott Hajj? Its like boycott Ashahadah, prayers, sadaqa and ramadan. Even if you can use juhud passport to go to hajj you should. Islam is above somalia, somaliland etc etc etc if you dissagree its between ALLAH SWT and you missguided soul. If feel sorry for that person.
They dnt fear Allah if they did why would they attack unarmed civilians in magaalada of khatumo.
siilaanyo is attending the funeral of a kafir without even invited how sad. These mop heads are disgraceful we should just give them what they want(Independent) But if they lay their on hands on khatumo or awdal we should invade their small village headquarter (Hargeisa) and just root them from somalia all together.
All killers turned scholars ha, we still have standing proof of your criminality in the burnt out Hargeisa other Somaliland cities incriminating you todate.
Keep crying to death pals.
When the Mad mullahs of Saudi Arabia, refused to recognized Somaliland passport, they have injected politics into the issue of Hajji, therefore, every Somalilander whether they have foreign or Somaliland passport.
The Saudi mullahs are the enemies of Islam, why else will they impose their political believes on others.
Mecca and Madina, should be considered to be a special places for all muslims of the world whatever political issues they have. period!
''The mad mullahs of Saudi Arabia are happily to accept the people of Somaliland to perform their Hajj and Umrah duties, its the people of Somaliland (Is@@q people) that don't want to perform their Hajj or Umrah. The people of Somaliland use to travel to Hajj with the green Passport which was a Somalia passport, now that the passport is changed in terms of design and security, the people of Somaliland suddenly don't want to use it? I see that as a hypocrite move and an imbecile way of making an argument.
I just wanna know one thing, Saudi accept Palestine passport no? if yes, Saudi don t have to do double standard because both( Palestine and Somaliland) are not recongnised by IC.
Do some research before you open your uneducated mouth!! Palestine is recognized as being the west bank and Gaza, it might not be the Palestine they wished for but Palestine is recognized!!
It would probably be HARAM to accept the Israeli passport. Audhobillah do you even know with the ppl of phalestine are going through? Plz, don't compare Somaliland and Phalestine!
somaliland it is not a country you are part of Somalia and suadi kingdom is asking the exact passport it simple if you want to go or stay it is up to you
sahra,
as you mention s/land it’s not a counrty but region part of SOMALIA.
@ sahra
@ ali
Of course it is not a country, that is why Somaliland is seeking Recognition from International Community, to become an Independent country again.
Somaliland was a Country before, Somaliland will become an Independent country Again, we will care less even if it takes 1000 years;
Salaam
Maybe after 1000 years The whole african continent will be ONE COUNTRY.get your facts mate.
I have two unused Djibouti passports for sale. Price is negotiable.
@jabuutawi,
watch out. Somaliland politics are shifting towards Djibouti shifting away from Somalia!.
Good for IOG and Cisse Waraabe..you know what I mean.
Cheers.
Jabuutawi could you do us a favour and give one of ur unwanted passport to Mohamed cheers so he can atleast then go to Hajj
lol Jabuutawi funny but keep in mind after your independence , if your country joined as planned Somali republic like your somaliland brother you will face same problem now. ! But u did not make same mistake than us. congratulations!
Do some research before you open your uneducated mouth!! Palestine is recognized as being the west bank and Gaza, it might not be the Palestine they wished for but Palestine is recognized!!
Somaliland and Palestine are both Muslim countries, in different situations.
De jure Somaliland is already a full Sovereignty State and does not have serious
problematic obstacles to hold back its re-recognition when it comes to a real show
down tough negotiations are undertaken through the proper channels. Somaliland
also is governing all its International Colonial demarcations borders. But Palestine
uptill now is under seige/occupation. Because the middle East is a complex affairs
that even superpower key govts get burned to undo, there's ofcourse big difference
between Somaliland and Palestine. The M-E crisis are the most mother nature core
problems and who,.how, and when a real solution could come about is anybody's guess?
Cheers.
Some minister said let us not politicise the Hajj, hey, newsflash, the Saudi's politicise the Hajj, the importation of Somaliland's livestock, everything. Everything in Saudi Arabia is about politics. Just look at the name, it is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. It is like saying the The Kingdom of Saleeban Somalia. We came close that though!!
The Custodian of The Two Holy Mosques make up the rules as they go along. Still, Somalilanders should be able to perform their Islamic duties, if they are able, without any hinderence. Back in the day, when there were no passports, the Saudis welcome the pilgrims and the money they brought,. Now they have more money than they will ever need, its a whole new ball game.
How did Somaliland people traveled to hajj before?
they used the old somali passport back than to travel around but that passport got old and expired so puntland created this new Electronic somali passport.
you can get your new somali passport from Garoowe post and make sure to visit my farm in Bari, im gona give YOU a pony & my secret groceries.
you can keep your pony and groceries pirate-boy. you probably looted them from a cargo ship on the high seas for your imaginary farm.
All somalis in somalia including s/land region when it comes hajj time They use to travel OLD GREEN SOMALI PASSPORT with letter or visa hajj Attached/stamp with The passport approve by saudi AUTHORITY.
by saudi law said anyone coming to hajj or cimra must be identified which country They coming from or have valid IC recognize documents to go hajj.
Amazing to see so many zoomalians happy to see millions of Muslims abandon their hopes of Haj. It shows how much care they have for themselves, never mind about other Muslims.
Saudi Arabia is wrong to make Haj a political issue as it always requires recognised governmental documents. Imagine if Muslims lived in Germany during the Nazi era where all kinds of citizenship rights were stripped from "Non-Aryans". And then you had these Saudis demanding that we produce Nazi recognised documents or rot away in Germany.
This problem we are now facing is the fault of ppl including Silanyo who travels with USA passport. They should have protested against Saudi demands a long time ago and directly against Saudi authorities in a fair and legal manner. Not through silly threats over Hargeisa radio stations.
Your very confuse creature becuase you can’t figure out what is reality and fake.
Saudi arabia like anyother countries on The plate have right to ask VALID RECOGNIZE INTERNATIONALLY DOCUMENT anyone coming into Their country That is WHY COUNTRIES HAVE BORDERS AND LAWS.
NO one is happy about This situition which created by isaaq-habashi to get little Attention what a diluted folks.THIS IS DEAD END FOR ISAAQ-HABASHI,it’s time somali isaaq took over The leadership.
You can’t compare nazi era to isaaq-habashi who is holding own people as a hostage and selling all sorts of fake stuff including recognition is coming”movie”.
Take your dhuuso some where else smellyian.
The problem is folks like are DEAF ABD DUMB no other way to explain your condition.
correct..folks like you are DEAF AND DUMB no other way to explian your condition.
we gonna use the Somali passport to go to hajj and we are still SOMALILANDERS and there's nothing u can do about it since your somali passport is for sale in any local shop. CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC !!!
yes, use it for hajj and then bin it into toilet.
@ilyas
ans1 Rome was not build in one day,they say seeing is believing please make a trip to Hargeisa to update your self with on going infrastructure development in S/L few example ,tarmacking of Borame, extension and refurbishment of Egal international airport among others.please compare and contrast with NFD region of Kenya where there is no any infrastructure development worth mentioning since independence,50 plus years what is your bench mark blurred visionary.
ans2 be specific what you mean .it make no sense to me
ans3 to me it's not acceptable to express admiration to the "satan" but let me ask you who are meles real friends,who brought Ethiopia forces to Somalia? it's Abdillahi yusuf your brother.nor did our leader camped in Addis for weeks shedding tears in public.
ans4 the people of S/L are beneficiaries .they enjoyed peace and development for the last 20 years
ans5 the answer is clear for the following reason why did he kill unarmed student in Xamar?why use the policy of indiscriminate shelling of urban settlement?why mine populated towns?why use jet strike?
ans6 because we made him weak that is the case with USE of gen Aidid.rest will ans you tomorrow i have to go
really NFD (northern frontier district ) is a home to 3.5 million somalis and other somali affliated communities such as rendille(cousins of somalis) borana and oromo . it is trice the size of somaliland . it has more than 3250 pry schools ,more than 2000 high schools ,it has 25 state colleges and 4 constituency university college . the region has 2 inter national airport and 5 slaughter houses , well established districts , provincial and referral hospitals and countless number of dispensaries . irrigation system along tana river in garrisa . 75% of the area land mass has mobile telephone network and all the fibre obtic network passes all the district in the region. the hotels in garrisa and isiolo you cannot get in hargeisa that is a fact . for 21 good years are you telling us you have egal international airport and a tarmack road btw x and y villages . think big brother the place is strategic you would have done wonders if only you unite with your brothers make "harge" attractive to all somalis from all the five regions and u get a huge capital flowing than chasing a crazy dream .
asalaamu calaykum walaal yaal i want to add my point of view we are all somali we look-like each other we share the sam religion and the same tribe/clan let me remind you those who is calling themselves minister they are carrying foreign passport , do you thin they are really patriotic the answer is no they have to start themselves first. when you are comment write the word somaliland and right click your mouse even the dictionary does not recognize the word somalinad than check Somali it will show you that means there is no somaliland there is only Somalia ok guys bye
Somaliland has embassies and consulates in these Countries
1. Peoples Republic of Santa Claus
2. Republic of Peterpanistan
3. Islamic Republic of Alladin
4. United Big foot of Guinea
5. Federated States of Tooth Fairies
@ilyas
am back to answer your remaining outburst.
ans 7 the boarders between S/L and S,were demarcated by the Europeans powers namely Britain which was a protectorate power and the other one was Italy which was colonial power,the boarders were adapted at the independence by S/L parliament before the doomed union.
ans 8 S/L has been ruled and shall be ruled by popularly elected presidents and not by warlords or pirates.similarly the presidents can come from any of the tribes within S/L,and i don't need to name but you can remember that was the case in the past.
Further every country in the World has a dominant group that dominates it politics and economic.in the case of Somalia the Great Hawiya are set to dominate the politic now and in the near future,in Kenya it is the Kikuyus, in Turkey it's Turks ,in India it is the Hindus , in the USA it's the Anglo-saxon etc. these dominant groups determines the policies and politic of their respective countries and in that respect S/L is not different..
ans 9, it is only a mad man who expect to achieve 100% in everything.Not everybody is on board but the majority in S/L are on board that is sufficient.
ans 10 the idea of S/L come out from a series of meeting attended by all the clans within S/L boarders who approved and supported the idea but unfortunately the are individuals who have since changed their stands and that is normal. and example the great kayse of this site.
those are answers to your,,,,,,,questions.bye i have to go
Last year i was in HAJJ and i met brothers from Taiwan who used Taiwan passport to travel to Saudi Arabia,and Taiwan is not recognized by the said kingdom.i think we need to send a delegation to Taiwan to study their case and then follow up with the S.Arabia.
i want to remind those of you with big mouth,that in the yesteryears passports and visas were not required for one to perform hajj but the necessity of our time has forced us to include these documents in the list of Hajj requirements .
my advise to S/L is if you cannot improve the current situation adapt the no harm principle.
iron,your naive person and lying in your comments.Tawain don’t even have 1% muslim population,as a ex statistician probability meeting Tawainese muslim it’s ONE in NINTEEN MILLION.so,drop That crap.
There is no comparison s/land region and Taiwan,Taiwan has GPD(purchasing power parity)$887.3 billion.Taiwan exports electronics,machinery,petrochemicals.s/land region is just dust barren region two council runing The show keeping hostage own people.
It’s very simple,any country will reject if The person holding fake document or unrecogmize and wants to get in your country,The saudis are no different.
correct,anyone will reject.
@naasir
your are day dreamer and imbecile who like to believe only what he wants to here,let say Taiwan has population of 150m people and let agree with you the muslim are less than 1%,take 00.5% if that is the scenerio there are750000 muslims in Taiwan.
listen pirate Taiwan is far a head of S/L and S/L is far ahead of Pirateland and Somalia.
iron.
before you start any debate or arguement get your facts and figures right.Taiwan population it’s not 150 million but 23 million check encyclopedia.There is no even 1% muslim population in Taiwan,s/land region as i mention it’s just dust region nothing more.
my point here is we shouldn't hesitate to use somali passport since we are somalis, all our cabinet carry foriegn passport 95%and no one ask with them . we should use and we are still somaliland , we proud some one who has uk or usa passport why somali passport since they are our brother ,now its time that we will forget our graves and look our future and unity its time that we will unite to eradicate poverty hunger disease and the bad name that somali experiance for the last 20year we all brothers
Somaliland haters(Mostly from failed Somalia) will intertain the sick hope that anytime Somaliland depates its policies in making the lives of its people easier in dealing with shortfalls of being officially unrecognized country. The fact of the matter is that Somalia is still the recognized failed state. As the day Somaliland will get international recognition gets closer, the desparation of the haters will reach its peak. So far, Somaliland has the upper hand politically, socially, economically, and militarily for historically its what distroyed the Somalia. The final round is one Somalia's current political process sponsored by the International Community produces the permenant thoothless governmet that is foriegn-dependent. It is forced to negotiate independent Somaliland, however not officially recongized, about their future relationship.
This is compeletly failed policy to The lowest level s/land region.NO recognition will come,who wants to recognize ONE TRIBE. it’s time to THINK constructive meaninful ideas NOT FAKE stuff.
The latest NEWS somaliland reginal addmin authorise The use of, THE NEW NATIONAL SOMALI REBUBLIC MATRIX PASSPORT.it’s good news people live That part of somalia now They can travel,do business,get education abroad and medical check up, so forth.before only Elite use to travel with foreign passport.
Somaliland has no choice..either to agree and accept all somaliland citizens to use the
Somalia Passport and forfeit the Somaliland Passport until recognition or else to come up with a Somaliland Passport working overseas abroad? Acting as Sovereignty Independent State without
legit International travelling documents… is down-right sham and shameful.
the Kulmiye Govt have to do better to finalize the Immigration issues asap.
Cheers.
NO one will recognize any document or paper to travel abroad issued by s/land reginal immigration department.so,let’s cut The bull-sh*t and face reality.
Saudis are stupid they don't know the difference between religion and politics ,Taiwan is not recognized by china or African countries and they are not a member of the UN but they travel with taiwanese passports to saudi arabia for hajj. We will keep owr money thanks.
This is a matter of sovereignty. Somaliland officials and especially the prez should get in touch with this towel heads and work out some kind of a solution for the pilgrims. During the nineties alot of countries were not accepting any zoomalia document and imagine i used travel to u.s with a letter stamp with their u.s visa to the u.s and other countries without any zommalia passport. If the Somaliland officials have the will they can reach an agreement with the towel heads. Kudos to the Presidential Minister, Hirsi Ali Haji Hassan. I would also suggest the same as the Minister rather than get the Zoomalia Document for the pilgrims. The pilgrims should stay if things don't work and at the end of the day the sin will go to the Towel heads for denying the pilgrims to perform their haj.
We don't need weak officials they should try each and every other avenue for their pilgrims otherwise they should resign in mass.
War Deg Deg Ah : Dawladda Ingiriiska Oo Aqoonsatay Baasaaboorka Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland
London (TNN)- Dawladda waddanka Ingiriiska ayaa aqabshay in qofkii sita Baasaaboorka Jamhuuriyad da Somaliland isla markaana ku sugan waddanka Ingiriiska ee la aqbalo dacwadiisa ama loo o golaado degitaanka rasmida ah ee waddanka Britain (Indefinite Leave To Remain) in sharcigiisa loo saridoono Baasaaboorka Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland. Sidoo kale waxay dawladda Britain si toosa u aqoonsatay in qofka uu sharcigaasi u saaranyahay Baasaaboorka Somaliland u si toosa uga degi karo waddankiisa H ooyo ee Somaliland isla markaana uu ku soo noqon karo, yadoo laamaha socdaalka ee Ingiriisku si too sa u aqbalaaya in qofka sita Baasaaboorka Somaliland ee u saranyahay sharciga degenansha Ingiriis ku uu xaq u leeyahay inuu si xora u tago Somaliland, tasoo markii hore ahayd arrin mabnuuc ah.
Arrintan ayaa meesha ka saraysa wer werkii haystay dadka rer Somaliland ee ahaa qofkii aan haysan Baabaasoorka Britishka ah ama sharciga weyn ee Uk in aanu tagi karin guud ahaan Somaaliya. Taasi hadda meesha way ka baxday waxayna wasaaradda arrimaha gudaha ee Britain oo loo yaqaan (Hom e Office) si toosa u aqbashay inay sarayso sharciyada kala gedisan ee uu bixiyo waddanka Ingiriisku Baasaaboorka Somaliland. Isla markaana Somaliland iyo Baasaaboorkeedu ka gaar yihiin guud ahaan Somaaliyada kale. Arrintan ayaa guul weyn u ah dhammaan shacabka rer Somaliland. Waxaan hadda ba arrintan wax ka waydiiyay Safiirka Somaliland u fadhiya waddanka Ingiriiska Axmed Cumar Sanqo ore, siduu u arko iyo inuu wali arkay sharcigan cusub ee la dhaqan galiyay wuxuuna ku jawaabay sid an.
Baasaaboorka Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland Oo Ay Aqoonsatay Dawladda Weyn ee Ingiriisku "Muniir arr int an safaarad ahaan waan lasocona wanan ka wada hadalnay dawladda Ingiriiska wanan aragnay dadkii ugu horeeyay ee sharciyada loo saaro Baasaaboorka Somaliland, oo halkan safaaradda ayay noogu yimaaden yagoo sita Baasaaboorkii Somaliland oo sharcigii loo soo saaray, runtii waa guul wey n oo u soo hoyatay shacabka rer Somaliland, waayo maanta qofkii haysta Baasaaborka Somaliland ee dawladda Ingiriisku u aqoonsato sharci ama sharci siiso siday doonto haku siise, ama ganacsi haku siiso ama Famligiisa oo degen haku siise waxay u saaraysa Baasaaboorka Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland, wuxuuna ku tagayaa markuu doono fasaxiisa dhulkiisa hooyo, yadoo ka warhaysa dawladda Ingiriisku safarkiisa iyo inuu qofkaasi waddankiisi fasax u tagaayo, arrintaasi markii hore mid dhici jirtay maha, waayo qofkii haystay sharciga ka yar Baasaaborka weyn ee Britishka loo yaqaan, muu tagi kari jirin waddankiisa, tusaale hadaan ku siiyo qofka Somaaliga ah ee haysta sharciga yar haduu tago Konfu rta Somaliya way qabsanaysa dawladda Ingiriisku, waayo waa ka mabnuuc, lakiin Jabuuti wuu tagi kara.
Maanta Somaliland Baasaaborkeedi way aqoonsatay dawladda Britain, marka qofkii isagoo sharicgu d oono ha hayste sita Baasaaboorka Somaliland ayuu ka degeyaa waddankiisi oo hadana soo noqonaya . Taasi waxay tahay guul weyn oo shacabka iyo dawladda rer Somaliland u soo hoyatay, mida kale an nagu safaarad ahaan waxaanu qabilaynaa in aanu u jadiidino cidii uu ka dhaco Baasaaboorka Somalila nd ee ku sugan waddanka Britian."
British Passport, qofkii aan markii hore haysan muu tagi karayn Somaliland, hadase waxaad ku tagay sa Somaliland Passport .Si kasta oo ay tahay arrintan ay qaaday dawladda Ingiriisku ayaa noqonaysa dawladii ugu horeysay ee waddamada waa weyn kamid ah ee aqoonsata Baasaaboorka Somaliland.