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Somaliland gives 17 the death penalty, 5 jail terms
May 17, 2012 · 108 Comments
HARGEISA — A military tribunal in Hargeisa has convicted and sentenced 17 civilians to death by firing squad over the killing of three policemen.
The ruling follows deadly clashes in eastern Hargeisa on Tuesday that left more than seven dead including a pregnant mother and scores of others hurt.
The clashes erupted when government forces including the newly-formed and British-sponsored tactical force known as Resistant Reaction Unit (RRU) were deployed in a disputed plot of land on early hours. Residents in the area confronted the force with weapons and the two exchanged fire escalating to an all out war. The land dispute centers a former factory that was abandoned after the fall of Somalia’s last central government in 1991.
This was the single bloodiest day in Hargeisa since the 2008 coordinated car-bombings that left more than twenty people dead.
Locals fear if the military carries out the execution it could bring back the dark days of dictator Mohamed Siad Bare’s rule. They pointed out that if the martial court goes ahead it could lead to reprisals that could eventually destabilize the whole volatile region. Others fear the resurgence of inter-clan rivalries and conflicts.
The police, tactical forces and the military took part in the operation which saw them take at least 28 people mainly teenagers into custody.
Five other men were sentenced to life in prison in the first verdicts related to the land dispute uprising. The men were tried behind closed doors on charges of premeditated murder of government forces and employees. Only three have been released while three others who sustained injuries got their trials delayed. All convicted people are said to be aged between 19 and 20 years.
No one in Somaliland recalls the last time capital punishment was carried out in the Horn of African nation.
Tensions are soaring in the city and atmosphere is intense following the announcement of the sentences. Transport has all together halted in eastern parts of the capital with reports the government has requested an additional 300 troops from Dararweyne base near Berbera.
Eyewitnesses said roads in the hotspot area were blocked with burning tyres and rocks.
During the deadly skirmishes two independent journalists from Yool newspaper have been arrested and continue to remain behind bars without charges. Mohamed Abdi Omar and Khadar Farah Hussein were nabbed by police on Tuesday while photographing the Interior Minister and Minister of presidency during their visit to the disputed former military repair centre.
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The two subclan project is falling apart, taking their frustrations on New Hargeisa which will only backfire as usual.
Warlord Silaanyo is finally showing his true color and he can't take responsibility for destroying the fairytale project of two habroo.
Siyad Bare never in his life handed down 17 death penalties and his government was legit but when two sub-clans claim they can govern other Somali clans, this is the result.
The two sub-clans must be having sleepless nights….what happened to the "democratic, people government, no capital punishment" fairytale vision?
The sentence will not be carried out and if they do it will be a declaration of inter-habar open civil war.
Kayse you sound like your related to the civilians who are being sentenced..You are fueld by tribalism that you manage to overlook the innocent, pregnant women who got killed and the little girl who got with a hit by a bullet..what examples are you showing when you promote subclan civil disputes?..This is not a government matter but a security matter..Hargeysa is the most developed region of Somaliland yet you have uncivilized people carring weapons and firing at the government.If the civilians believe they need to make a point, than they could have started a protest, assembled, went to the parliment, court and ect..There are other avenues instead of firing at government officials..
No I'm not related to any of them. At the moment I have no immediate relatives in New Hargeisa but the two habaro project is slowly undoing itself.
You just clapping for them because your on the Dhiigshiil payroll. Burco project :) not even all Burco sxb…
You will not eat this 17 men whoever they are. Havent you had enough blood to suck in Kalshaale? Oh nah they gave you big slap because Liyuu Police saw your cannibal side they intervened. Everyone is against the two habaro project at the moment, I doubt they will even have place to flee to. Puntland NO, Jigjiga NO, Awdal NO, Djibouti NO, Mogadishu NO, Addis Ababa NO and now Hargeisa is divided.
Kayse shedding crocodile tears for terrorists criminals would not heal your tears.
Get a good grip on your poor soul and get over it.
Cheers.
Kayse I advice you not to shed any tribal tears for those condemned criminals. Be patriotic.
dear kayse
can you please inform us what you mean by ' the two sub clan', because really that is all your arguement is based around. to me it sounds like you have a paranoia about this issue.
HORRIBLE WRITING…
I was just reading this in another website
No! Somaliland CANNOT carry out this death sentence
otherwise Khalaas, they DONOT value anyone.
Amal what happened to your friend Kayse he appears to be in serious cycle of nervous breakdown.
You know his ways better and seemingly too effected by his crocodile tears. What's going on Amal
I just can't believe my eyes omg? I think our friend Kayse needs our help to rescue him out.
Cheers.
The end of Siilanyo;s government is here, Believe me Somaliland is peace because of Habar Yonis is in peace, Does he think we are like Dhulbahante, He can do something and get away with it, Habar Yonis all day, Down with Qudhmiye’s Government … And I dare him to do the execution, Believe me there will be civil war
habryoonis are reer miyiii the need to be behind bar coz they all uncivilised and pathetic animal.
Maxamud Xirsi please orod habr Jilic iska celi and leave the Garad Kingdom aka Dhulbhnte alone we tought them unforgetable lesson in kalshale buuhole, sooljogto and so on the only reason why lascanood isnt under the khaatumo control coz of some our sub-clans .. i wonder what they see in u, they dont bother habr Awal..
plus the only reason why we not taking over burco and ceergabo already because Habr yonis stopping us. besides if you guys need revenge leave Habr jilic to us, u dont have to defend them u dont see any D@@rod defending dhulz
They already killed over 10 people, if they had another 17, it doesn't make any difference, once they have blood on their hands they nothing but bunch of criminals who want to impose the vision of two subclan and one remittance company's vision on major larger community. I think people have tolerated far too long, all this is escalating because Mogadishu is recovering, Sool is lost and Puntland is exploring oil in Sanaag…the two sub habaroos are only taking their frustrations on others.
Lets see if they dare to carry it through, thats my challenge.
Kayse you need to join the TFG under Sh. Achmed presidency and PM Gaas. These two would
definitely heal your nervous breakdown. The TFG are too good for rehab all crocodile tears
with their strong Amisom. That's no good for you then perhaps you could take good trip to Amal
territory( plan option). If still no good for you, perhaps ultimate destination could be Faroole's
Puntland Piracy infested sharks.
Cheers.
If you want to live in a land of law and order and respect the rules of law, you wouldn't take arms and decide to destroy the same government that gives you this protection.
Somaliland is not Somalia, where laws of jungles were always applied. We have democratically elected government, we have our armed forces, and for this clan milia, to take the law into their own hand is unacceptable in Somaliland after 21 years of peace and democracy.
Any criminal element who were organized to damage the image of Somaliland and disturb peace the country, whoever clans they belong should be brought to the fullest law of the land. The crime this criminal committed was a treason, they tried to over throw the democratically elected government and sabotage the sovereignty of Somaliland, therefore, they should receive an alternate punishment, whether that means death.
I agree with you but I also hope that Somaliland and it´s people would be bether then killers and murderers.
Lifetime in jail yes…but killing is not for oss……
Ps :: Islam says don´t kill.
other wise good writing.
i fell sorry for the 3 police.i prayer for them insha allah they will go heaven
You people are weak! These people crossed a red line when they came armed to the teeth and trIed to confront the Somaliland national Army. This country is built on the foundation of resolving all disputes by peaceful means, and avoid any arm confrontation at any cost, this important contract among the clans and people of Somaliland has been challenged and its a challenge that cannot go unanswered.
For those that want Somaliwayne you know the road that leads to Mogadisho so sida raga yeela yeel oo isla taasho, but please stop trying to pioson the minds of Somalilanders with such nonsense, there is nothing in Somalia for us and there will never be. Somaliland has been built on solid foundation that cannot be derailed by either enemies from the ouside or by few misguided individuals from within.
You see in every country the rule of the law must prevail otherwise it will be free for all and no civilised society can function in such as state, if people have grievances with the state they must pursue these grievences through the proper legal channels to address them.
In conclusion i agree 100% with this ruling, its no less what these criminals deserve and wixii kale oo is waala wa la karbaashaya.
I wish also to take this platform to send my condolences to the family of the soldiers that passed away and to the family of the innocent civilians and that got caught up in the line of the fire, we wish to say to all of them samir iyo imaan.
I guess there wont be any oil exploration in Garhajis block till Somali government reaches the north after the south is fully liberated.
What I heard is unbelievable! Is that the real Kayse or someone impersonating him?
my friend the buck must stop somewhere and keyse had enough of marginalization of somalilanders since relebration from siad barre we had to endure all kinds of injustice. and looking for recognition is no excuse to live like slave. i think it is time we somalilanders have to reconsider our option after all somalia will never be a dictatorship again. it is impossible. no clan can rule over another clan.
HY clan will not accept this
that is too bad dude do not kill the military then
Sentencing 17 people to death will further make it complicated and create tension and mistrust. A horrible incident occurred but these men should not be sentenced to death. That's wrong.
The report in somalilandpress is very misleading!
Damn, those who hate Somaliland are all happy now,may Allah look after Somaliland amiin
I heard both Dur (Interior) and Hersi (Minister for presidency) fled from their homes and slept in a secret location near Burao.
I don't think they will last. Hersi calls the shots and controls the old HJ man even though they are both from the same family. Hersi is a criminal and should be shot as soon as possible.
These top Govt insiders are untouchable and would continue to rule to enforce the law and order
in the Civil Societies democratic Somaliland Republic for as long as it takes to keep the peace working
as it should. These two are promising young dignitaries who are properly saddled to replace old
age dudes' who are fast perishing one after another. So let them train for bigger responsibilites
in the not far away future of Always JSL. Both guys are admirably doing fantastic duties for the Nation.
Cheers.
If the people of Somali land do not want to abide by the laws and do not respect the government and its institutions, then we will fall back to tribalism. And if tribalism is chosen in place of law and order, then we will loose everything and no one will be the winner. No tribe is stronger than the other. These people who attacked the military depot were organized tribally and it seems that their aim was not confined to a plot appropriated by a government but probably extends to some tribal grievances. And how do you explain a group of people who attacked their national military force? Is not an act jeopardizing the national security of Somali land?. let us be nationalists instead of tribe supports .
if it goes on like this everyone should go back to their city including dahabshiil
M Khalid he is no president he is the figure leader of HJ, since when did one clan claimed to be government over others? If they want war we will give them just that, they never learn. Hargeisa is now collecting weapons and Somalis from other parts of Somalia will take part in the liberation of Somalia's second town from secessionists who think one sub tribe can rule a society.
This our country, we should support each other and build this country. Stop ruining what we
had achieved for the last 20 years.
I love my government & we love our president I am from Hargaisa brought up in uk
But work in Hargaisa as a teacher I am Habar awar & recently I know us & Habar jeclo become very close
In the government side & projects around sland but of what happened it was a bad thing but if the army got
Attacked they have the right to fire back & for those who have been cought then it's for eye for an eye.
We Habar awar support this great government 120% but Habar younis time has come for ur to leave Hargaisa & go back to ur lightless little area of Burco called germeraka cos u will always be the followers
Of HJ always lack of everything .
Viva somaliland
Viva Habar awar
Viva Habar Jeclo
Viva our president & Goverment
Down with anyone who attacks our troops !!!
HY u always behide 20 years from rest of us
Hahaha
Stop the tribal hatred. No tribe deserves to be discriminated against
<3 The government protected themselves from Evil & did u all see those
Weapons on the table during news ? Bismilahey them Peaple deserve hanging
& it's not even there city ! HY go back to Burco & stop killing & get in the Goverment projects u slow Peaple
Allah protect somaliland & our government !!! We will destroy any one who tries to kill our troops & our Hargaisa !!!! HY shame on u ! If u want War will will destroy u all
This is our city Habar A ! We will hang u all
You must be F@qash.
LOOK AT YOU ALL "CLAN THIS CLAN THAT" SHAME ON YOU ALL SHAME ON YOU THAT IS WHEY SOMALIA IS WHAT IT IS TODAY IF YOU ALL HAVE A LITTEL OF LOVE FOR SL RESPECT IT AND RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO DIED TO FREE IT I WILL ALWAYS SAY………………………..
ONE LOVE TO SOMALILAND AND NO LOVE TO F………………. CLAN!!!!
DO NOT FORGET GUD IS GREATER THEN CLAN.
HUMAINS ARE GREATER THEN CLAN.
MY SOMALI BROTHERS AND SISTERS ARE GREATER THEN CLAN.
MY LAND IS SOMALIA AND ITS VERY GREAT TO US
I LOVE MY LAND SOMALIA BUT I HATE CLAN.
I LOVE MY CITY HARGEISA.
Some people here worship tribalism, as can be seen from their comments. I understand you people are sidelining with the tribe in question, and may or may not be related to you. However you have to choose between, somaliland and your tribe, in other word between been a patriotic citizen that accepts the law of the land, or what i call wadani when nothing happens to your tribe. This issue is a security issue, these people took the law in to their own hands, and attached the Army while they pray the Fajar Salat. The women who got killed and the child who was hit by stray bullet all deserve justice to be done. Eye for an eye, By the way attacking a military barracks in somaliland carries death penalty by law if you didn't know that. Be a patriotic citizen when things are good and when things are bad. Lastly all those people who took part in this raid are criminals and criminals don't know a law or land or country just after their interest. This has nothing to do with tribalism. All matters should have been referred to the court in hargeisa if there were land dispute problem. Not running around with hell lot ammunition in a populated city, you think this Mogadishu or something.
Somalilanders need to move beyond tribalism it's 21 century, not 18 century. Other people in this world are building health care education structure and so on but yet we are building triblism division and destruction.
I couldn't agree more with MOST of what you said, but the death of 17 young boys scares the hell out of me, surely they could be handed long sentences instead. I realise they need to deter people from these kind of actions but to be fair the SSC that attack our militry and are caught are kept in prisons for a few weeks and are then given money and released back to reattack. Surely we must be measured and fair in our sentencing. I am so dissappointed with the clan that decided to take us back into the days of violence and inshallah this issue will not destabalize SL.
I'd like to point out that some of these people coming here making obsurd & idiotic comments are the usual "Somalidiid" suspects dadka isku diraya, so don't be paying attention to them.
Somaliland + Goverment = Habar awal & Habar Jeclo
The rest just breath ! Wast of space
Not true, all 6 regions are in the Govt. There maybe something more or less here and there but the
JSL is all shared powers and just functioning reasonably well both publicly and privately.
This Govt is very practical and pragmatic democracy Make no mistake about it. Is it perfect the
answer is no. Is it trying the answer is yes.I think since 1991 former Govts..this Govt by far is much
better in so many ways. However, this Govt should not be looked upon with contempt simply cuz it
shows leniency on certain many issues in discreet manners. However if discreet fails to work then
comes firm actions and this Govt shouldn't gamble with the security issues of the country and take
tough measures when necessary. to maintain law and order
Cheers.
This does not make any sense the crime happen few days ago followby "convicted and sentenced 17 civilians to death by firing squad" This is crazy Somaliland government will not do that period.
The convicted are 19 – 20 years old. They are kids. They should not be excuted but should be prisoned and re-habilited. The question is – Who is behind them? Who encouraged them to take this action? What was their justification? The root cause of the incident shall be investigated and found, and then corrective actions should be taken so that similar incident is not repeated anywhere in somaliland.
To those who are voicing tribal tone, I would like to say to them: Shame on you .. Shame on you .. Shame on you.
to all people of somaliland, would you please stop writing malicious and inflamatory comments based on clan. All Somaliland are one people one nation irrespective of clanism. A law is a law and can not be taken by bunch of thugs to create turmoil in a peaceful country which has been built from scratch.
If you a grievance you need to follow up the chanels and complain, rather that taking arms to kill our army and innocent civilian.
The government must investigate in depth if foreign elements are involved rather that making useless comments. It must be known to the somaliland citizens how this group of people managed to get weapons and from wherer?.
@Amal,
Don't worry, things are fine – the smart and cooler heads will prevail (and as a matter of fact, have already) as always. As for the anti-Somaliland camp, please let them intoxicate themselves with their own propaganda.
Somaliland should not only put to death those who attacked our police but should also come down on those tribal chiefs behind this violence like a ton of bricks. No stone should be left unturned in investigating this serious matter and bringing to justice all those who instigated it. The greedy men with vested interested who started this trouble should also be brought to court and put to death. Regardless of clan affiliations, all trouble makers should be dealt a blow with an iron fist. Somaliland is not Somalia. Period.
This is a very serious attack on the army force that carries death sentence and verdict very swift. And as it seems that most of all Somalilanders are taking things on face value. Everybody needs to take a breath, sit back and cool down. Let the dust settle down and not to do anything we may regret later on. The law and order has to prevail at all times because the security of Somalilanders is above everything else and if threatened all hell will get loose. No doubt, the government was hasty in giving the death sentence so soon. They should farther investigate the situation first to know al the facts. Why so many young men were carrying weapons, where it did come from and who was behind it. I don't believe that these young men organized the whole. There must others and because their ages ranges from 19 to 20 years, Alshabaab comes to mind. It tells me that this has the signature of this terrorist group.
Those roublemakers who are inciting ethnic hatred should be ashame of themselve. These people ambushed a military, killed innocent people and threatened the peace and the stability of Somaliand. Can anybody tell me why they should be spared?
First of all, tomorrow is the Anniversary of Somaliland Republic so Happy 18 May folks. Secondly may those who perished rest in peace.
There is no need to mislead people and make something what it is not. This is not a tribe versus a tribe or the president ordering this verdict. This judgement was handed down by the military court. It is imperative to send a clear message to those who may take an example from this in the future. The death penalty may not be carried out but there has to be a way to deter future incidents like this. You cannot operate a country without a proper regard for the law. The constitution of Somaliland is the contract between the people and the government. People must have confidence in the judiciary and the rules that govern the country. The fact that some of you are associating this with tribal fighting shows your luck of maturity and clear thinking.
No matter what complaints they may, people should never be allowed to carry out an assault on the defences of the country. These men and women should have a special place in the hearts of all the citizens. They are the servants of this nation. They do not make orders but they are instructed to perform their duties to the nation with their lives.
Utmost denunciation must be reserved for those who perpetrated this despicable act regardless of the merits of their case. Having said that, they were not acting on tribal grounds and you should all keep that in mind. As much as the other tribes, their tribe cherishes Somaliland and these people might have fought for a block of land but make no mistake they will fight for the existence of Somaliland.
Lessons must be drawn from this for the future. Land appropriation must be based on a policy of integration. People should not be allowed to build houses in the areas dominated by their sub-clans so artificial boundaries become the thing of the past. Different areas of the city should not be identified with different sub-clans. A citizenship classes must be introduced in schools so that the importance of abiding by the law are instilled in students at an early stage. Solving your problems through the legal process and accepting the verdict of the courts is the first step to both individual and national progress.
Somaliland will continue to build its judiciary and civil enforcement capabilities for all its citizens. My advise to you is get off the tribal talk and thinking.
Gaade,
well said
If the president wants peace in somaliland he needs to give hy what they want and then we will all live in peace together
What a fool this individual is. Nobody gets whatever they wantand that is absurd and illogic. So, if you don't get what you want you killed people? Well, you will reap what you sow.
Gobaad, not even worth it…he's not duriyada!
As usual the F@qash is putting on make up to disguise themselves and start fitnah in this forum and in Somaliland. You can't fool us pigs.
That's what I've been saying 90% of these ppl are not what they claim…waynasku keen dirayaan. Anxamdulila I heard the situation has been sorted and gooma fican ba laga gadhay…Masha Alaah!
No hatred comment and tribalism. Somaliland is one and will be that Insha Allah. No HY, HA, HJ, AR, CG or any other clan is better than the other or have that authority to impose anything than the other. Let us be good at each and correct mistakes rather than blaming each other. Mahad – Hargaisa
Much of whats being written above is by Somaliland Haters who are taking advantage of one unfortunate incident in our peaceful Somaliland. True Somalilanders wouldn't insult each other or talk about tribes like that. Brothers & Sisters, isqaboojiyya, murders happen in the 1st world and very democtratic world. I am sure this will get resolved by the elders and government. Lets cool down and celebrate May 18th… SomaliLand Ha NooLaaTo :). I'll be partying in Toronto Canada, hope to see many of my Somlialanders there.
Rule number 1, should group or individual attempts to resist a police operation or military deployment either the culprits gets killed instantly on the spot, or go to court to face charges if they're lucky enough to be alive. My take is that the incident was a test and the government of Somaliland has failed this operation by not having a full control over the situation. Hope this taught us a lesson.
For the reporters, the charges against them should be based on the material they collected and how gruesome was it., that would shed a light on their main intent..
Osman Qaal
SomalilandPress should not give a platform to the tribal incitement, insults and hatred that is being posted here as legitimate commentary. If most comments on this page show anything, they show the disease that destroyed Somalia as a nation and blinds every Somali; complete loyalty to tribe and tribalism.
What a shame!
good point. this is the first time you posted a meaningful comment..in exception to Somalia as nation.
Please note, Somaliland and Somalia are 2 separate entities all together..
Osman Qaal
For the first time since you were blogging, I am on agreement with you on this one, two thumbs up!
kayse,
Waxaan uma laynayaa dhacdan in Ilahay adiga kuugu tala galay si laguu fashiliyo laba wajilinimadaada. Ana waan kuu docaynayey oo lahaa Ilaahow u siyaadii xikamada iyo caqilnimada si uu debate ka ugu goolaysto adna waji kalaabad la soo baxday. Waxaan ku mooday mise waxaad noqotay mise waxaa loo noqon doonin.
Allah ha u naxariisto dadkii ku geeriyooday halkan iyo kuwii horeba.
It is a real shame what has happened, and those of you who are waging war in SL needs to know what it is like growing up without a father. My father died in the SNM war and we sure don't need another war to put other kids through the same thing. Those of you talking about tribes Shame on you. We should unite in times of hardship and condemn those who do wrong against SL even if they are our own family.
I think that the Courts need to take their time and shouldn't reach a decision like this quickly. Secondly, if this crime carries death penalty – this is not the first time our soldiers were attacked by SLanders – Some Dulbahantes did exactly the same thing and when captured they were well looked after and released quickly with nice new clothes and money (some even being captured twice). Now this is what will cause tentions as double standards cause injustice – PPL should be treated equally one law for all!
thirdly – The real criminals are the Masterminds behind this attack and these need to be caught and prosecuted!
Wa Salaam
is because dhulbante has free land where they can do what ever they like unlike those in hargisa who have no where to run..
plus they have to free them because they dont want lose support those dabadhilifs in lascanood.
@ Hargeisawi-In-London
I hope so, Allah will look after Somaliland. But I have discovered that Somalilanders have ugly tribal side. Look at the troll above all uttering tribal fitnah. The action of those few who pick up the gun against the national police is nothing less than absolute criminality and they are not fighting for no clan but looks like everyone is blaming, cursing and hating on HY. It’s a shame! Somaliland is inclusive, the authority is mixture of all clans, and the police are mixture of all clans, yet I can’t believe people are actually talking about habr-habr cr*p.
I didn’t know such tribalism like that in my people. But I think there are also some imposter taking advantage in inciting hate and division amongst Somalilanders. I’m also absolutely gobsmacked to see some Somalilanders are actually promoting civil unrest. I don’t see sense of nationalism except amongst few. But the good thing is Somaliland government has been standing for a long time now and is stable enough and will not crumple away that easily so all the haters can dream as much as they want.
Guul Somaliland and I say in advance happy 18 May :)
Amal,
"….for no clan but looks like everyone is blaming, cursing and hating on HY"
I am sure you appreciate that there are a great number of impostors (anti-Somaliland thugs) trying to make the most out of this ugly incident.
Take my word for it , none of the young men sentenced to death will ever be executed — it is not going to happen. Of course, I am not condoning/defending their actions; what they did is totally unacceptable and they should not be allowed to get away with their thuggery.
I have to say I was surprised by our government's reaction. At any rate, we will come out of this minor incident stronger and more united, trust me!
Please don't dwell on the comments posted by some boneheads consumed by hatred.
It just shows you that Somalis are all the same.
Tribalism + pride +arrogance + aggression = is the root cause of all Somali problem. Somaliland must shun such tribalism if they want to set example to the rest of Somalis otherwise we are all doomed.
P.s
I don't believe Somaliland will put to death those young convicted men that easily and quickly. If so what's the difference between siad barre iron fist rule and this. Come on Somalilanders. Lastly but not least may Allah forgive and give jannat to all the dead people from both the police side and the residence.
Amal,
I can not believe you're sympathizing thugs who stood in the way while the government forces were in operating mode. My logic tells if you see men and women in uniform in active duty get the hell out of the way.
Soldiers are trained to kill, as they're in deployment motion anyone who doesn't follow
their orders is a target to them….it's better taking a target down with minimum bullets than capturing it alive. Thugs are awaiting sentencing shouldn't be alive, so, their terms no matter now.
I wouldn't even care if the government sets them free tomorrow…
You said what's the difference between Siyad's and Somaliland forces.
Well, Siyad's forces identified you as a target, you're unknowingly wearing a bulls-eye on your back at birth, our forces are there to protect you an uphold the law of the land. You are not a target to them until you cross the line.
Osman Qaal
Osman,
You either misunderstood what I said or u didn't read it properly. We all know the Somaliland army and security forces are there to protect us and Somaliland. I'm talking about sentencing criminals to death. Siad barre used to sentence everyone to death to enforce the law. Look if these men are sentenced to death and it cause anger and some people might even repel which will cause further problems. I believe criminals should be behind bars but giving death sentence is wrong especially when not fairly applied. No proper investigations have been done either. What caused it and who is behind it is not known.
Enough people have been killed already. Somaliland government needs to do further investigation on the issue and who is behind
Amal, i get what you talking about, I don't approve of the death penalty either & I doubt very much these men will be killed!! I think it's more of a symbolic act & deterant to those that think they can attack the militery/police and get away with it..
To be honest with you sis, these men are guilty as hell, they were caught in action, marka investigationka ka hadlaysid wa maxay? …what does need to be investigated however, is who was actualy the mastermind and behind these co-ordinated attacks..
amal,
So you think we should always think about consequences and sensitivities of each case without looking at the facts.Tthe government of Somaliland has already said publicly the charges can carry up to a life in prison or perhaps execution what further investigations you are suggesting.
What's the point of having justice system if we have no a faith in it? the accused individuals have committed a crime in their homeland and their government has decided the charges against them without a passion or prejudice. but you're opposing it based on your personal emotions in which can be perceived a out of respect towards the authority of your government.
If you would give me some facts as to why they shouldn't be punished severely, I would have a second thought about the case. perhaps you should keep your hypothesis to yourself and not mix it with legal proceedings. you don't have facts you stay put until you able to gather up something worthy to bring forward. There's no emotional clause in the criminal system.
Osman Qaal
Osman + MsSomaliland
No one is saying these men are not guilty. but to hastily sentence 17 young boys is wrong is what I was saying. Those boys were absolutely wrong and acted foolish and they should be behind bars. Remember the coward men who slaughtered those poor men in their sleep in seemal (awdal), did sentencing them to death ever came in their mind? No! And now they have quickly sentenced 17 young boys to death in one day in response. You can't give away other people's land either. Investigation I mean who is behind it and why so that we can prevent such thing happening in the future.
When we believe something is wrong we say it rather than believe it like it's our religion. Full stop.
Dear amal,
Every case is different..hope they weren't wrongfully convicted..I have a faith in our justice system..
Osman Qaal
Allah ya Raxma to the innocent ppl/soldiers that died. The death of 17 young boys scares the hell out of me, surely they could be handed long sentences instead. I realise they need to deter people from these kind of actions but to be fair the SSC that attack our militry and are caught are kept in prisons for a few weeks and are then given money and released back to reattack. Surely we must be measured and fair in our sentencing. I also strongly think that the masterminds must be brought to Justice, I am so dissappointed with the ppl that decided to take us back into the days of violence and inshallah this issue will not destabalize SL inshallah.
horta Allah ya Raxma those to innocent people..
plus ya'll stop calacling sentencing reer khaatumo is like adding more fuel to the fire and matter of fact prevous SSC rebel leader Kayse Abdi Yusuf who killed at least 50 landers in one day in Kalshaale clashes is now presidential party leader (SSCD) that explains alot lool
besides Ahmed Sii'lanyo, the president of the self-styled government of “Somaliland” knows the only way lascanod and Ceergabo can be his under control if he keep paying to those thugs forget about prisoning them. and of course rest of sool, sanag and southern Togdheer aka cayne is ruled by us
Siylanyo is determined to destroy Somaliland. Never has any former President behaved the shameless, ruthless and irresponsible way he and his mercenaries are behaving. Somaliland will soon be described as a failed state just like Somalia and perhaps this is what he really wants.
It was just few weeks ago when he ordered the banning of demonstrations, arrests of politicians and beating of people who took part in peaceful demonstrations. Now he has ordered death sentence of young boys who only wanted to their right to their land. He is not a leader and is undoubtedly not capable of resolving any crisis except with utter brutality, deceit, irresponsible and unlawful actions.
18 May was a day we used to be proud of but this year is marked with depressing and sad news that coming out of Somaliland. Unfortunately there is nothing to celebrate.
Somaliland is two subclan project and its falling apart week after week ever since HJ, Dahabshiil and Silanyoo came to office. First as usual they took their animosity towards Hartis, then excluded Samaroon people and now as always they want to demonstrate they can deal with the much greater and more powerful Garhajis.
If Garhajis withdraws, its all over because two subclans cant even be a regional government. Right now Puntland which has at least the support of five different clans has more legit government than two subclans occupying Morgan's former house.
I spoke to Hargeisa and this is exactly what happened. The two subclans want to occupy gardens that belong to a small sub sub sub subclan called Reer Yusuf which is part of the Isha'aq subclan of HY which is part of Garhaajis.
The land is located new Hargeisa which is opposite the Finish Refugee Coucil and the Waran Adde road. The residents used to use the gardens to plant fruits and trees that are distributed to grow trees in where charcoal burners killed all the trees.
They attacked a base is all fabricated story by the two subclans who only want war and to destroy Northern Somalia because this is the first time in two decades Somalia has chance to unify.
The base which belongs to Somalia's federal government and not sub regional subclan administration, is just cover up to evict these people of their land.
Right now the attacked subclan is busy collecting fighters and truck loads of fighters are pouring into Hargeisa…I just spoke to Hargeisa and I have people inside the Reer Yusuf subclan.
The conflict in Hargeisa is likely to draw in the whole Garhajis and Arab clan and other Somalis against secessionist by the two subclans who want to hijack northern Somalia.
Kayse, I see you now using the word "secessionist". Brother, please take it easy.
like you, as HY, I'm pissed off of the whole situation. I also felt like evrything we worked for went down the drain. I then took a deep breath and said "Acoodo Billahi min al shaeydhani al rajeem" couple of times, ignored all the nonsense comments from those who were beating the drum of war (from both sides), remebered the SNM mujahadeen and thought of what the war could do to our children, women, elders and the whole nation. I'm sure our polititians and elders will solve the issue in a peaceful way. So just relax brother and make duca'a for SL.
The people on here saying why is the SSC getting away with stuff is true I want to see them shot to, we cant just say ok let these young kids who I think probably just need some guidance via longer prison sentences. But letting these kids get shot and the SSC get away when they attack our country is wrong. If they take out these misguided kids then they better take out every SSC member we have!
Double standard is wrong!
Kayse,
Somaliland is celebrating it's 21st birthday tomorrow and you're talking about habar so and so did this, you're only displaying how much you believe in the tribal crap.
Osman Qaal
ComeAgain,
The HJ mafia cant face SSC in Buhoodle so they released every SSC militia Garhajis fighters caught in the Widhidh conflicts but when HJ militia got opportunity to kill HY youths, they give them death penalty.
You see the hate they have for HY?
kayse take it easy am also half habr yonis but we Dhulz know Sil'anyo and his militia are just hiding behind Sland in order to kill innocent people so everytime they attact peacefull cities like buuhoodle we teach them lessons..
Happy May 18th Celebration to Somalilanders at home and around the globe!
On a lighter note folks, this is a new wadani song by Nimco Yassin Nuur Daalacay:
May ku talagalkeedii
Maalintii Talmaanayd
Tobban iyo Sideedii
Waa tan aan Xusnaynee
Calanyow Tilmaantaa
Waa Tawxiidka Eebee
Tiir aan jabaynow
Weligaaba Taagnow
As a foreigner living in Somaliland at the moment I would beg most of you ‘gurba joog’ to calm down. This is a serious incident but calm wise heads will not let it get out of hand.
90% of what has been written is immature tribal rubbish from a generation that does not know the trauma of civil war.
From what I hear on the ground a lot of ppl are frustrated by the new governments apparent favortism to Presidents subclan and to Dahabshiil. At the same time most ppl realise there are swings and roundabouts in political life and I have never heard anyone suggesting the desire to fall back into civil war. Just to give some context – I spoke to a HY friend in Hargeisa about this last night and he dismissed it as an isolated incident over land.
What happened was an illegal act mo matter how much foolish Kayse seeks to defend them. Also there has been capital punishment in Sland. Even last week I heard a man was sentenced to death for killing his mother (I think in Berbera). However people are right in saying that there must be equal treatment and in this case sentencing 17 people to death seems very excessive.
I think and hope there will be a pardon and they will be given a jail term instead and this will be mostly forgotten by June.
Your country has come too far to fall back again into a mess. You are wonderful people, amazingly creative with unique solutions to resolve conflict. I am sorry for speaking like I am an expert but please don’t go down this horrible road of violence again.
You are right indeed! We came too far to fall back to civil war and the people who are beating the drum for war should be ashamed. I don’t believe in this new government but that’s why there is voting system, one can vote them off if they are not happy with the way they run things or resort clan favouritism. Ignore those who are childish in their comment.
Teacher,
First and foremost you are a foreigner. You were paid to come here for only one purpose, please mind your own business and stop the propaganda, we all know who is your boss.
Having said that, foreigners have divided Somalia for far too long, they input is not welcome here, thank you.
We are not telling you to re-elect David C. or Obama.
This conflict is a declaration of war by two subclans against another and today Somalis all over Somalia have seen the ugly side of warlord Silanyo, who runs back to UK every month for his diabetes, and Dhiigshiil.
Both of them are wanted for crimes against humanity in the Somali capital and treason but unlike them, Somalia will never give them the death penalty.
When you teach the few students of the two subclans, tell them to read my comments with their broken English they might learn something meanwhile they can rob residents with the gun because thats all they know.
Ever since Silanyo came to power, Somaliland project has been decreasing, today students in Sool are taking Khaatumo state general examinations. Awdal students are going to Djibouti and Ethiopia even though Amoud is the best in the region.
There was the big war in Erigavo, Buhoodle, Las Annod remains under curfew, Hargeisa is burning and Berbera residents are on guard watching out for Dhiigshiil who wants to cede the cement factory by all means.
Disaster, you better flee before its too late.
Haha Kayse. Who is my boss that you know?
No-one wants a divided Somali people – this seems to be the game you are playing.
I am not telling you to elect anyone and how can I? Where do you live anyway because it’s not Somaliland. You are a guest (probably in my home country) just as I am a guest in yours. So stop being racist.
Yes I am a foreigner but you are the foreigner amongst your own people. Even people in your own tribe are labelling you a fool.
By the way your English is also broken so go back to school and stop insulting your own people.
I’ll not respond to your comments again because it is clear you are a hard-headed imbecile who lives in a foreign land, frustrated that you cannot influence your own people to live the same hatred-filled life you desire.
hahaahahaha first of all, I haven't been racist to you, I just told you to do your job and stop interfering in Somali affairs. Your probably there as a teacher but is just a spy.
I am not guest in your country, I can assure you that. Before things get worse and knowing your country does not recognize the two subclan council—I advise you to take the plan with diabetic Silanyo as he seeks treatment in UK where he holds social healthcare card.
Your only upset because you don't want to leave in a country where every single white backpacker and a teacher is treated like an international dignitary and ambassador; with all honesty how many asked you "will you recognize us?" Please tell your gov to recognize us!
I am not telling you to leave because you don't belong there, I am only concern for your own security.
You told the truth. May God bless you teacher.
true my friend since the new gov took over the bad far outweighs the good, you got tribal tension, khatumo state and awadal state, he needs to be shot dead.
Kayse causing mischief takes you no where other than boomerang yr idiotic posionous intentions.
Cheers.
Kayse,
You ran out of your meds. please see your G.P. to prescribe you more..
osman Qaal
This is the start of all out war, we Habar yoonis are under hostage from this administration, Somaliland will be better off rejoining Somalia, the empty dream of independence is finished. Many Somalilanders are already in Mogudishu reclaiming their proprietary, and if those 17 are hanged, it will end in all out war.
Somalilandpress, if you dare delete my comment, how come am reading abusive comments from HJ's on HY? Are you for real?
We all want peace from Awdal to SOOL…..HY are capable of defending themselves but nepotism has to stop.
Somalilandpress, HY and H-AWAL in me, Burao is the heart of the country reap it off and we are all doomed.
Teacher,
Some of the things on this thread have been written by none-Somalilanders desperate to turn all Somali speaking countries into chaos so do not be alarmed by these comments. Nothing can move Somaliland. As you have been told this was an isolated incident and even the elders and the Sultans of HY warned that anyone who persist to cause trouble will be descended upon like a tan of brick by the law of the land. This will be sorted as we always do.
Got to get ready for the party!
I find it mind numbling shocking a democratic elected government can kill innocent peacefull demostrators using lethall force, and when they defend themselve try them in military tribunall behind closed doors, sentencing some of them to death, and arresting any journalsting reporting the hearing.
this r the what a dictator does to its citizen. a military are used to defend a country from external aggresion, they cannot and have never been used in internal matters in any democratic country in the world.
this government why elected in the rules and spirit of democracy but are governing in a undemocratic manner. they have violated the trust bestowed on them by somalilanders therefore they are illegimate. somalilanders are within their right of using whatever force necessary to deffend their hard earned democracy.
to do this there is a no better place force than the mighty garhashi(G UNIT) to do the work and let see what so called two clans who r comitting injustice and plundering somaliland resource do.
why was the somaliland doing there in a disputed land. What happened to the police. How is it we release the fighters from the sool area after they killed many members of the Somaliland army but we going to kill young people in a land dispute. I have a feeling that Somaliland is heading towards towards self destuction — good job Dhabshill and President Silanyo.
why was the somaliland army doing there in a land dispute . What happened to the police. How is it we release the fighters from the sool area after they killed many members of the Somaliland army but we going to kill young people in a land dispute. I have a feeling that Somaliland is heading towards towards self destuction — good job Dhabbshill and President Silanyo.
Kayse I am HJ so piss off we do care about everyone in Somaliland! What I want is justice under the law! Silanyo was just trying to be diplomatic with dhulos but every Lander knows it isnt working so no more trying to play nice they have to be treated how we would treat any treason!
@ComeAgain
expect u got owned every time u attack peaceful cities while u hidding behind somaliland shirt.. we love nothing more than sii'lanyo the self-sylist waging war agaisnt us which will only us apportunity to unite more and the few pro-landers in lascanood will see ur true colors.. plus i dare u to face us alone without the help of Habr yonis and other issak clans..loool
i guess this sickness of tribilism that consumed Somalia (the bare regeime) is still active and alive. when would this epedemic cease to exist. It passes on from one generation to the other.
SHAME ON YOU PLL
SHAME ON YOU PLL
iS THIS WHAT THE SNM FIGHTERS DIED FOR
SHAME ON YOU
One question for everyone why do we always relate anyone who does anything good or bad in somaliland to a tribe why cant he be just the citizen of S'land.
The sad incident which occured had nothing to do with HY the young kids have been armed and sent by some group we need to investigate who is behind the and what is the motive behind it.
I would like to add one more thing which is as long as we identify ourselves with tribes we will never understand what is to be patriotic to a country which we all love and aspire to see it achieve what other countries achieved.
Kayse stop saying things which make you sound like a person who acts educated but primitive in thought process.