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Somaliland and Somalia agree to hold more talks, security, aid, transition
June 21, 2012 · 31 Comments
Somaliland and Somalia negotiation teams in Chevening House in Kent, UK (Photo: HOL).
LONDON — The first formal discussions between feuding neighbours Somaliland and Somalia concluded on Thursday, with the two sides agreeing to an 8-point plan including future talks.
There has been no official breakthrough, but some progress was made during the last day of the technical-level meeting in the official guest house of Chevening House. Future dialogue, security, development and the transitional period topped Thursday’s discussions.
The UK and its co-hosts, Norway and the EU, said the aim of the meeting was to support the sides to “establish a framework for future substantive talks.”
A statement jointly issued by both sides said they have powerful reasons not to abandon the talks insisting on their commitment for future dialogue.
While a gulf remains between the two Somali states, points 3, 4, and 5 in the Chevening document under paragraph 5 have injected some optimism into a possible future dialogue.
In point-3 of the plan, the declaration and its participants have acknowledged the existence of two presidents and urged them to meet to “review progress as soon as possible”.
Point-4, has spelled out the need for the international community to facilitate talks between the sides including “providing external experts on legal, economic and security matters.”
Point-5 pressed the need for the two sides to cooperate in development and humanitarian aid with the international community. This might clear the way for the international community to finally assist Somaliland directly like the British government.
Despite the very wide gap, they were able to agree on issues such as combating piracy at sea and on land, toxic dumping, extremism and other criminal activities. The parties also agreed to support the end of transition in Somalia.
The host bodies have urged both sides to fulfill the promises they pledged during the London and Istanbul II conferences and this week’s Chevening House Declaration.
Dr Abdulsamad Mo’alin Mohamed, the TFG interior minister and head of Somalia delegates, said the talks have concluded with positive outcome. “The talks went for two intense days and to be frank, they have produced positive agreement and I hope we continue into the next phase,” he said.
Sources close to the Somaliland president Ahmed Silanyo said that he has welcomed the outcome and that he is keen on meeting with TFG president Sheikh Sharif Ahmed.
The two are expected to meet sometime within this month in Dubai in the UAE for the first bilateral talks in two decades.
Held behind closed-doors, each side was represented by a five member delegation consisting of ministerial, opposition and members of parliament. Somaliland was led by its foreign affairs minister Dr Abdullahi Mohamed Omar and Somalia was represented by the TFG interior minister.
Here’s a summary of Chevening Declaration:
5 – The Participants:
- Agreed that the talks would take place between two sides – the TFG (or its replacement) and Somaliland, in accordance with paragraph 6 of the London Conference Communiqué and paragraph 10 of the Istanbul II Conference Communiqué;
- Noted the need to adopt a common approach to avoid anything that would undermine the continuation of the talks as defined above;
- Committed to the continuation of the talks and called on the two presidents to meet to review progress as soon as possible;
- Called on the international community to continue to facilitate the talks, including providing the two sides with external experts on legal, economic and security matters;
- Agreed to share experience on working more effectively with the international community on the use of development and humanitarian assistance for the people of both sides and called for the international community to increase that assistance;
- Agreed to cooperate in the fight against terrorism, extremism and serious crimes;
- Agreed to cooperate in the fight against piracy at sea and on land, maritime crime, illegal fishing and toxic dumping; and
- Reiterated their support for ending the Transition in Somalia.
Somaliland opposition leader, Faisal Ali Warabe declared the talks fruitful saying we must seek step-by-step strategy. “Like in mud we must try to free one leg at a time,” he said.
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With all honesty, I think Somaliland has scored this one, but just narrowly. If both sides have agreed to "two" Presidents meeting, that it self declares even the TFG is starting to accept that Somaliland has its own President. I don't know any government that agrees to a region that it claims as to having its own President in front of superpowers like the EU.
Also Somaliland scored in principle 4 because now it can seek legal case on issues such as economy and security and request that Somalia and Somaliland be given equal economic legal frames including its right to explore oil, etc. BIG WIN.
The international community might also propose the two keep different development accounts from now on because all Somaliland has to do is tell the IC, Somalia failed to honor its accord.
I don't think Somalia will allow Sheikh SHarif to meet with Silanyo because the TFG delegation got outsmarted.
Somaliland wins but they have to follow up and start seeking legal and lobby groups or firms and start writing to donor nations, etc.
This is not about winner or loser it was gathering & talk about differences bear in mind it was preplan This outcome.
Every body knew s/land region have president also Puntland does,well you mentioned TFG accepted meet s/land in front of EU The reason is s/land it’s very upset region The whole somalis & The world know That,so The best way is to give confidence.
It’s TFG or future goverment jop to negotaite any part of somalia & keep somali peninsula in one piece.
The outcome of This meeting was cooperation in security piracy development, it does not said right to explore oil without approval from central goverment Puntland tried That They Eventually realize no company will come & explore oil later negotaited The goverm.different account bookkeeping will apply every region in somalia so development can spread evenly.
You said somalia will not allow sharif & silanyo meet,why not? remember There are already ten somalis presenting both sides met. If you Think becuase TFG got outsmarted your wrong everything was preplan in This meeting by IC.
All The best somalis everything can be settle Throught negotaition & understanding,somalis in general are different today compare to twenty years ago more educated.
Would someone tell me who is representing Somalia and who is representing Somaliland? Their porfolio, experience, where they hail from, etc? Or, am I (as the Brits say) punching above my weight class in this discussion? FYI: I weigh 225 lbs….kkkkkkkkk.
Lay off the Baris homey! The hell yall eating over in jabuti? dang wasnt there supposed to be a drought?
TWO PRESIDENTS! Read it and weep! Steady development, preparing our legal team, lobbying in nations where we hold large immigrant populations will ensure our story is heard.
Also like I said sueing isnt off the table either, honestly we have a very sold case and all this"talking" bs etc is a waste of time and lives for Somaliland! Self Determination is a human right and we can sue the pants off the IC! If they can sink millions in Somalia then let them sink millions trying to defend why they wont allow a basic human right while running around the world talking democracy! While subjecting our already poor population from being able to access markets around the world!
Hahhahah do you know how many Prez are in Somalia today, this word has no meaning when its comes to the Somali situation. On the second point, where are you gonna get the funds to sue when you still calling Morgan's house as your statehouse lol.
What do they mean the two presidents will talk. Talk about what? Somaliland people are not going back to the failed greater Somalia and do not want to waste any more time on empty talk. The piracy, terrorism and land grab is coming from the TFG and their hired mercenaries. Kill this unwanted conference and stay away this non sense.
Dude I am on your side, take it easy!
The Chevening 8 point declaration between the two delegation negotiators of Somaliland-Somalia
is yet another milestone forward scored in the positive direction for further future talks, adding more
weights to the previous LCS and ICS recommended comminiques items 6 and 10 etc.
Once again the co-hosts have been a great help to narrow the different views of the two Somalis
negotiators by facilitating more clearer path for the talks that would follow in the near future.
The Chevening meeting is a win-win situation for the negotiators.
Cheers.
All in all we can agree as the talks have also shown that the integrity, security, national interest & economical matters of the SOMALI REPUBLIC is more important than the demands of SL.
Not actually! Read it again! So what we help you keep pirates and extermists at bay thats what we have been doing! So technically aint shyt change except the fact that they said two presidents! They will talk about how to leave the union that was NEVER ratified in the first place, hence, the legal etc experts! We are leaving people the International Community is just trying to make sure that the few remaining half starved fools in Somalia dont collectively have a seizure upon hearing the news!
Keep lying to yourself, the Somali Republic ceased to exist in 1991 for us.
Keep you self interest and we will keep ours.
Viva Somaliland Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow
Let's see where things go from here. Dialogue is always the way and hopefully the next phases will be inside Somali soil. The only person that I salute in this talks is Faisal Ali Warabe—he speaks his mind just like I do. Hirsi Gaab is on every trip because he asked Silaanyo to put him down so "Somali people can get to know me before I replace you"…thats what he told Silaanyo.
If Hirsi Gaab is a former al Shabaab member and no one wants him not even his former employer. Ethiopia will invade Hargeisa should Hirsi Gaab be given even high rank than the unnecessary useless "minister of presidency". What is minister of presidency?
Silanyo put him there because they are same tribe, the post means nothing and doesn't even exist. If presidency minister is the one that runs around the president sort of like a private butler than why is he in London and the president is in Hargeisa?
This tribalism needs to come to an end, tomorrow Silaanyo will say I have new "minister of gates and doors" and name his tribal associates.
Silaanyo got exposed like TMZ in this one, Haji Warabe airport, Berbera cement factory, New Hargeisa genocide, Kalshaale massacre, Haji Libaah invasion and robbery, the food aid scandal, we are keeping the list.
Meanwhile the airport remains closed for a month with nothing going on.
oh my god are you guys serious?
look the london conference where it is referred that the president of galmudug should fulfill the requirements to become maamul goboleed with the help of TFG and the IC.
does this mean Galmudug is recognized by the world as country?
UK ambasador Matt Baugh refered to faroole AS president many many times Keyse is taking the P out of the sheep i dont know what his little plan is this time
keyse why are you doing this to you peopl;e
This is manifestation of Somali leadership failure. These guys could not come together and discuss their matters privately. Well guess what! REER galbeedka wants Piracy and Extremism defeated in Somalia and they send them ticked, gave them place to stay for two days and here comes the message: “listen you nomads, we don’t give a rats a** what you want, work together to give us what we want”
To be continued until we wake up from the clan comma.
I know some of you are on denial and in reality probably busy sending countless emails to the TFG. Here is the reality.
Referring Farole or Malim as President is not the same as to Silaanyo. Farole and Malim do not claim to have seceded from the rest nor do they request the international community addresses them and Sharif on the same terms.
They want to be addresses as the federal presidents of the two states of Puntland and Galmudug State but Silaanyo and his group request that they are addresses as a separate entity, so their president carries different weight.
This is a submission to their terms and now the international community knows that there are two Somalia with two presidents that will sit down together as "Somaliland" and "TFG/replacement". The replacement will no longer carry a TFG tag but Somalia, so when its mandate expires, the principle will refer to the two as Somaliland and Somalia because there is no TFG anymore.
Deny it or put it however you like, I think Somaliland scored this one. I have for long told them not to argue their case around "recognition" but on real issues—today they finally turned the page. Recognition is meaningless and does nothing, if it was a magic bullet——Somalia would not be Somalia a reference to all failures hence "Is Yemen the next Somalia?…Libya the next Somalia….Syria the next Somalia"…thats one example of recognition.
If Somaliland is to win, it has to address real issues, it has to present itself as a solution not "i want recognition"…no one cares about that, you have to first build yourself friends and the way to make friends is to engage with everyone.
Its like a football club—before you join the Premier League, you have to win games and make name for yourself in the industry and make allies—-just screaming "let us join the League, we used to be club for five days centuries ago" is not gonna do it.
someone said long time ago The faith somalis already decided by IC.somali will be divided into semi-autonomous states with central goverment some as UK fairly distributed development.
There is two Things you can’t avoid in live one is death other taxation & Third will be somali is heading That direction semi-autonomous states.
if somalis would done That way in 1960 today would not have This problem.
keyse. maansha ALLAH , you're one of the intelligent commentators that I have come across and you have also been known a destructive one..
i don't care about Somalia and somaliland and puntland and Somalis i gave up on them look at them sitting between two woman because they cant go hargeisa or Mogadishu.
i am already carrying the embarrassment of telling people that i am from that race. everything is based on tribal. go to hell with all this tribal people
The tribal entity of puntland is not happy tonight and wont sleep well for some time to come. For them TFG represents Hawiye while Somaliland is Isaaq. So they hate to see the two having a discussion because they feel threatened.
Read how shameful they are:
Waxaa Maanta shir deg-deg ah oo ay qaban-qaabiyeen Jaaliyada Reer Puntland ee Norway, gaar ahaan Magaalada Oslo lagu qabtey Oslo, kaasoo looga hadlay arimo ku saabsan Shirka London uga socda Dowlada KMG iyo Maamulka Somaliland.
Shirka jaaliyadda Puntland ayaa lagu gorfeeyey arimo ay ka mid yihiin talaabooyinka laga qaadan karo hadii shirka ay kasoo baxaan qodobo ama go’aamo ka dhan ah Ummada Somaliyeed iyo wadajirkeeda.
Meaning they hate to see any progress between Somaliland and the south, how sick are they? Thats the true enemy of Somaliland.
What else is new they never happy with anything
I don't know what is inside their mind but I don't see anything wrong with a meeting which talks about the steps to take if "shirka ay kasoo baxaan qodobo ama go’aamo ka dhan ah Ummada Somaliyeed iyo wadajirkeeda.".
looool M@rjeerteen only need to make peace with dhul-bahante.. si loo xoojiyo wadajirka ummada somaliyeed meaning wadajirka umadda harti-yeed when that happens Banader-land or waqooyi galbeed state airnt worthy.
you your self is very sick creature Puntland don not hate anyone it’s hallucination your having in your mind because when people become so isolated They will develop to baranoia.
NEVER puntland tried to go separately always working unity of somalia put semi-autonomous states, if They wanted could declare separate state cuz They have enough population beace stability.
unlike s/land region tried last 20 years to create fake country & The world told Them NO.now They have no choice put come to The table with no recognition insight accept semi-autonomous state.
As long as the the 2 sides agreed to continue talking Somaliland's case is clear.
Osman qaal
France and Germany who are different people by the way fought each other many times, colonized each other many times and yet today they use the same money, their people travel without visas/passwords and they are more united. Somaliand who is the same people as Somalia as the name states want to separate from Somalia just because some dictator who came to power by a coup did bad things and it effected people in Somaliland even though this also effected other somalis in other parts of the country. This doesn't make any sense at all. United States of America who is the strongest country in the world today almost got separated into two countries but was only united by force and look how powerful it is today. Unity is power my Somaliand friends. I believe we should preserve this unity even if it means we have to go to war with each other.
imagine Faroole 'the king of pirates'' participating this conferences he'd have properly pull out the Qabil card already. the minister of education is my uncle he's hard core unionist but everything can wait, somaliland don't need to be chased away it'll take another 20 years to come around. I travelled north somalia Awdal to Nugaal, people actually don't care whather they separate or not they just wanna peace and development. that was back 2009 isnt save to travel now..
Khaatumo,
Cimran is just a kid who was raised with fish and chips, to him everything is in black and white. If he is having KFC chicken, McDonald's is faqash to him dee. Thats his logic. He doesn't say anything but faqash and the word alien like Gobaad who is gone now thanks to Allah.
I have chased many cheerleaders and Cimran is the last one standing. He will grow out of the faqash word.
Even, I, the son of A. Tuur who liberated them and hosted them in Hawd while they were running in bare dacaas—is faqash to them.
I hate to liberate them again. Somalidu marnaa way isriifaan marna they do dhaanto and dhandheer together, other times we sit in the opposite trenches—you just have to take things as they come. Being anti-faqash all day every day is so not Somalinimo.
I advise Cimran to relax, if Faqash come around we will protect him again. Relax ninyahow…faqash is as old as soviets its like calling a Russian a soviet. Faqash is dead with Afweyne. It wasnt qabil it was a regime.
hahahaha wallee waad iga qoslisay, Cimraan Faqash buu ku khaaatumo seegay dee I bet he's neva even been to the region he claims to be from.. yh i told him it wasnt Issaks vs D-blocks but government vs rebels and had every qabil in it..
I advise him to stay outta of somali political and go back watching the vampire diaties.
If we think wisely, all overal regions in Somalia got distruction and civil war, what extra happen in somaliland? What will be there future? Could they defend their anemy alone? Do they have enough prosperity?
well in somaliland the main isa*k clan was subject to a state sponsored genocide only they suffered like this other clans where not targeted like isa*k people somaliland can defend itself and prosper independently we will strike hard at the only enemy we have which is somalia especially you dar*d thugs so be prepared for your funeral ok