Somaliland
Somaliland: Although there is a thriving private business sector, poverty and unemployment are widespread
October 8, 2012 · 130 Comments
A breakaway, semi-desert territory on the coast of the Gulf of Aden, Somaliland declared independence after the overthrow of Somali military dictator Siad Barre in 1991.
The move followed a secessionist struggle during which Siad Barre’s forces pursued rebel guerrillas in the territory. Tens of thousands of people were killed and towns were flattened.
Though not internationally recognized, Somaliland has a working political system, government institutions, a police force and its own currency. The territory has lobbied hard to win support for its claim to be a sovereign state.
The former British protectorate has also escaped much of the chaos and violence that plague Somalia, although attacks on Western aid workers in 2003 raised fears that Islamic militants in the territory were targeting foreigners.
Although there is a thriving private business sector, poverty and unemployment are widespread. The economy is highly dependent on money sent home by members of the diaspora. Duties from Berbera, a port used by landlocked Ethiopia, and livestock exports are important sources of revenue.
The latter have been hit by embargoes on exports, imposed by some Gulf countries to inhibit the spread of Rift Valley Fever.
Somaliland is in dispute with the neighbouring autonomous Somali region of Puntland over the Sanaag and Sool areas, some of whose inhabitants owe their allegiance to Puntland.
Somaliland’s leaders have distanced themselves from Somalia’s central transitional government, set up in 2004 following long-running talks in Kenya, which they see as a threat to Somaliland’s autonomy. In June 2012, however, they agreed to talks in London with the Somali government on settling Somaliland’s status, under the aegis of Britain, the European Union and Norway.
Somaliland was independent for a few days in 1960, between the end of British colonial rule and its union with the former Italian colony of Somalia. More than 40 years later voters in the territory overwhelmingly backed its self-declared independence in a 2001 referendum.
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Even though a few international agencies have taken significant steps to invest in Somaliland already, others are still on the sideline cautiously awaiting a full-fledged international recognition. We're expecting that one single brave nation to take a leap of faith in leadership of recognizing Somaliland, the rest of the world will have no choice but to follow suit. That brave nation could be Israel, Canada, Kenya or perhaps Ethiopia. My preference would be Israel or Ethiopia because there's a greater interest for both nations in the Red Sea..
I think you touched on a significant Political factor that will shape the Future of the Horn of AFRICA.
Today moqadishu received a visit from the Egyptian BROTHERHOOD and SHEIKH HASSAN is an associate member of Islaax. Where the relationship of ETHIOPIA and EGYPT break down due to Ethiopian construction of DAMS at the NILE source the NET impact is poor relations between ADDIS abba and Moqadishu.
EGYPT's Brotherhood also have a negative political future with ISRAEL who is a ALLY of ETHIOPIA. IF the TALKS between Somaliland and Somalia fail there will be alternative strategy to pursue Recognition.
Yep and Kanye west is in love with Kim Kardashian ! looool
your so delusional Son waiting for some foreign state to save you from your own brother !
LOOOOOOOL son all those agencies take their direct order from their boss in mogadishu.
Even the british consulate in hargeisa !
So what? if their get their orders from mugdidisho, does it mean that the walaweynes are giving orders, no. In the case of British embassy it is a British boss who is giving the orders. But the feckle administration in mugdidish by the name of TFG receive their direct orders from mwai kibaki, yoweri museveni and Ethiopian prime-minister, why dont you mention about the TFG licking the boots of Ugandan, Kenyans and Burundians.
Alxamdullilah, Alxamdullilah, Alxamdullilah
We are privileged to have an ELECTED president where most settled for SELECTED by accident. We are privileged to have PEACE even if the levels of poverty leave little to be desired. We are INDEPENDENT in Spirit and political trajectory even if the 1960Union REMAINS as an obstacle to our progress. We are MORE determined and driven to achieve that rarest of all RECOGNITION even if Allah accords 1day, 1month, 1year or the remainder of Human existence.
We know what is rightfully ours and we know the CRIMES perpetrated and those still hell bent on executing further deprived ill strategies to pervert the NATURAL cause of political JUSTICE. We shall never SUBMIT to defeat nor SCUM to disillusionment perpetrated by our enemies masquerading as our PARTNERS in Somalinimo or as our KIN in ISLAM. For the burden of proof lies with those who claim to still BE our UNION-PARTNERS…
We are not a BREAK AWAY since 2-EQUAL states united in 1960 and 1-state DISSOLVED that union in 1991. 21 years later the abandoned State(Somali) has finally managed to SELECT the 1st Non-Transitional President and it is his responsibility to SIGN the terms that will accept the DISSOLUTION of that failed 1960UNION.
We simply Withdrew our membership from the failed 1960UNION and that is the nature of democracy the majority in the STATE of SOMALILAND do not want another membership with Somalia. It is similar to Somalia withdrawing their membership from the ARAB league.
Give me Poverty any day rather then Pirates+Bantus. :) lol
your just a whiny little prick with a long essay but the truth iz on one wants to listen to your short lived expired british colonial crap. ex warlord keyse is from your deluded clan but given himself up to somalia he is a nationalist.
Are you brain dead?
If Kawsar is Isaaq then i am Siciis Harti from Danood. Pirates have been sidelined into OBSCURITY not ONCE not TWICE but consecutive TRICE in less then a Month!
- No President
- No Prime minster
- No Federalism
It is a depressing state of affairs :) for you and your ragtag pirate folks.
Your misery is an exquisitely perverse pleasure i enjoy your political insignificance and utter dismemberment that is about to occur. Sade play a different political game to Harti. They will ally with those that will assist them achieve their end goals and they will SELL any other member of Kabalalax Koombo Karawal. Over the Next 2 terms/10years they will consolidate their strangle hold on Somalia politics and assure themselves a permanent seat to always represent ilma Jabarti Zawali.
You can Cry if you want to :) your tears are worth more then diamonds… :) 10Years begins Muahaha
Loool i wonder when a somalilander will be able to praise his little enclave without bashing Somalia in the same sentence !
ayanle becoz u think zoomalia people send flower to Somaliland lol
LOL Ayanle do i detect self pity?
I doubt there is a single Somalilander who will have the compunction to remain considerate to the negative elements of our former UNION partners.
I believe proper dialogue and positive communication will be observed between the 2-STATES only after the DISSOLUTION is signed and hands are shaken amicably.
LOL waa doqonimo marku ninweyn ku yidhaahdo aanu ku dilne ha isdifaacin, aanu hargeysa burburine iska askeyso, anu caruurtina midhiqirka ka soo ridnee ha ka bixina Midnimada… Waar heedhe waad ogtahey tii ku dhashey iyo tii naaska kula nuugteyba FUFU baa ilaashanaya, waar i dhegayso wax isu fal oo xiinyo yeelo oo dhulkagii difaac dameeryohow dameerku dhaley… Kir dheh
Waar niyo ileen dameer waa la karbaashey ee lalama hadlo, wuxu aqli xumaa.
until when you stop bashing Somaliland
@ Buuxiye
Why can't we recognize our-self as being part of a recognized country and be part of one society. How is that a defeat when all clans can be under one house hold?
i wonder when will that building opposite the plane finish lool, maybe 10yrs time
its a ugly seen
At least we've got something to show for..
what do you kno about hargeisa? i live in hargeisa so does my wife, you haven't even got flush toilet.
Plz say im lying???
PirateLand is built on HARAM!
My Family home in Hargeysa had Flush toilets in the 80ies my parents explained that after Faqash Bombarded the city from the air and with artillery they took the metal sheet roofs, pipes, beds, cables and even the flush toilet seats.
That is how Puntland was built from a desert to what it is today, since the 1990ies more haram property was added each year, Aid money for hungry children was used to Abdullahi Yusuf and muse cade, then Faroole came and introduced piracy and hostage ransoms, human trafficking, Murdering innocent children by harvesting their internal organs.
Let us wait Jan2013 we will uncover the a NEW form of criminal activity. They may begin hijacking airlines in the middle east for ransom perhaps?
what diluted person.
mr mr,
The truth hunts….naturally, that's your reaction to the reality. Name calling is known for the people with shallow depth….
Obviously you aren't a swift person. There's different classes in very city in this world. Probably you've seen only the area of Hargeisa that designated for the people of your class.
Please don't tell me you don't live in the slums of Nairobi, Kenya.. No offence to anyone else..
osman Qaal.
What Truth you been crying The last twenty five years probably you run tears by now.most somalis stop crying long time and move forwad,They been throught hell from military regime to enternal fighting since 1978.
The good Thing about The southernes is They know when to stop mourning and when to Think ahead,unlike some somaliland folks.This scrap metal plane will not be anything but scap metal.
correction..run out tears by now.
It is about Memory 52years SINCE that stupid Union and believe me there will never be another UNION only because of the ignorant policies of the politicians of Somalia.
The plane in the center is permanent REMINDER for new generations. International forensic scientists have just began a Major project in Somaliland to investigate MASS graves to determine the scale of the Genocide.
People buried with their shoes, their normal clothes, hands tied behind their backs, bullet holes in their foreheads with mass graves containing 5year old to 80year olds and even pregnant women are being found.
It will not be long before Morgan is extradited from KENYA to face public HANGING insha'allah.
START BY LEAVING HIS HOUSE LOL ! Your government is living in the house of criminal war !
buxiyosis.
To be frank This story The more you crazzy folks keep repeating The more it will lose it’s value.all over somalia specaily big cities such as mogadishu,kismayo,galkayo,baydhabo,are all full of GRAVES people been butchered in These cities not only hargiesa and burco.
This story it’s becoming more like mad max story,someone will come up good idea about This scrap metal plane hanging middle of The street and sell to scrap yard mental recycle company. also it’s safety hazard it fall hit someone.
TRUE !
the dar00d animals are out in force today. i would say something but i am scared they will kidnap me and ask my family for ransom . don't ever compare the great city of hargaisa to the toilet called garoowe and boosaaso. i have been to these place as part of bringing civilasation to the apes of those lands and i have to say the place doesnt even have shops let alone anything else. there is no electricy or running water in both of those cities. i guess the dar00ds have been trying to catch up to hargaisa,buro,berbera that they have fooled themselvs into thinking those places are more then OVERCROWDED VILLAGES. dar00d delusion is horrific.
kaboon .
who wants to kidnap you,your single mother chewing mirre somewhere in london streets.
somaliland must have a new policy for recognition
ain't you tired of 30 years of waiting?
WORD loooool
No we aint tired, it is better for us to wait another 100 years than to share a country with ZOO-animalia. Why should I send to child to mugdidisho for university while they can have in Hargeysa or Amoud.
we need a new policy, 21 years and we have hardly advanced.
Rome wasn't built overnight..
you got a point mate Rome wasnt build overnight nor it took 30 years to build.
Osman you need to give up man this british colonial crap, you know perfectly recognition isn't coming but lying to yourself is just tragedy man.
I'm not a quitter, I'd rather seek my God given rights through calm, cool and collective manners.
Hit and run in the dark is your specialized area that why's your lame tactics brought down Puntland in verge of becoming obsolete….
Awaiting RECOGNITION is a Vacation compared to REUNION :)
Somaliland and Somalia are two equal countries that attempted to form a UNION1960. I find is ludicrous when Somalia camp attempt to Split their own country into Putulaan, Galmudug, X&X, Banadir, Bay&Bakool, Azania, Jubbalaan, Hiraan, Greenland, Udubland etc at the same time claim to believe in REUNION with Somaliland.
Somalia must abolish Federalism and form a strong Central Government able to exert proper authority within the borders of Somalia. There is no benefit to Somalia of claiming to want another UNION when it is dividing it's own country into 9-sub states… you need to unite first and get ride of the nonsense Federalism and then maybe people will take you serious.
Illogical nonsense like Federalism is plain amateurish politics 9 Presidents who each conduct their state independently benefits nobody. Sheikh HASSAN is the President of Somalia and he must exercise his will to end this federalism nonsense.
pu$$ylan/piratelandweasel
Are you God, Do you know what will happen to you tomorrow. Just why dont take your narrow minded illogical sentiments and shove down your qabilist bass and the remaining part shove down the bass other weasels who share similar delirium with you. Somaliland is here to stay like it not, 100 years or 10 years it is does not matter. Our feets are firmly pegged down the ground and we are prepared and ready for the long haul.
De jure Somaliland before/after 1991, has the political qualification status quo of what it
takes to become a fully recognized independent sovereign state with clear international
colonial demarcation boundaries similar to India and all those other independent countries
that followed in the global World Continents. Beyond all reasonable doubts, the Independence
of Somaliland from Great Britain in 1960 was a natural one blessed by HMG the Windsor Royal
highness, Queen Elizabeth II, who(God bless the Queen) is still on the Crown and very much
alive and strong. This being the case issues of Somaliland, and with Britain very much strong
on the IC actors, I fail to understand why the Somaliland re-recognition is so ridiculous on the
IC World stages? France is also another country who could salvage along with Britain.
There are numerous other options including the AU,EU and AL/OIC Worlds But also the new
Somalia Roadmap under President Mahamoud. Tactical political dubious delays of the
straight forward de jure Somaliland is never ever in the interests of real world peace in the
Horn of Africa and beyond.
Cheers.
mohamed cheers,
To recognize Somaliland again is no longer a European responsibility, the UK has clearly placed the ball in the Africa's courtyard. France and Germany are on the other hand in a mess by championing an unpopular Eurozone creation which ignited an economic turmoil in Europe, consequently, their reputation is a bit of a shame at the moment. Thus, Somaliland should discover alternate avenues on it's case for recognition..
walaal Stop dreaming international community recognized Somalia Republic nothing else, The argument of the past is didn't worked and it will not work the future. North Somalia have one solution come to table and negotiate for better Somalia.
Somaliland exist as a result of the wishes of its people. And no one do anything about that come rain come sunshine. International community cannot force Somaliland anything against the wishes of its people. Anything else is waste of time.
Praising the Queen looooool. you are ready to lick every ass you see only to get recognition uh ?
Try to praise Mugabe or Kim jong junior achievement maybe they will send a card :p
why dont you see your konfuur sorrya$$es are sucking Kenyans, ugandans and burundians gorrillaguuus.
Please mohamed cheers stop starting every sentence by "de jure…" looooool.
Only Dhiigshiil, SomTel and few other privates including schools and NGOs are making normal living not thriving just normal standard living.
There is nothing else there. No government, no regulations, no employment, no quality education, etc.
This is why I have became against the grieving idea of running away to cry in an isolated corner. Beentay iska buxiyeen, slowly they will see the reality because northern Somalis will not waste another twenty years sitting under Dhiigshiil and few NGOs for handouts….maybe next month Dhiigshiil will donate 50 toothpicks to keep the separatists empowered and cheering…good propaganda opportunity for them always.
Kayse lol waan ku jeedda.
Cheers.
hehehehe Mo Cheers,
Are you on that Dhiigshiil building that was under construction in the last 15 years? It takes reer Hamar, six months to complete the same building.
Running away will not make you a man guys, you need to man up and stop mourning over what happened 25 years ago, most Somalis in north Somalia wont even born. Your tears mean nothing to them.
Kayse,
Don't forget a physical structural that's built in a rush, usually doesn't get a long term life expectancy.
By Assessing your style of commenting, I'd imagine that a quality is't your forte anyway..
For your info we confronted the brutal dictator and his Somalian minions, we defeated and chased them out of our beloved country, Somaliland.
What makes you think that our young people will pay attention to the trash against Somaliland, spewed from the mouths of boneheaded cretins like you?
the ethiopian stooge (SNM) are just way too desperate, 30 YEARS OF STILL WAITING.
The biggest Ethiopian stooge was your late uncle abdilahi yusuf yey and his ssdf.
This what self isolationism does to you Mogadishu has build more infrastructure in one year than the whole of Somaliland did sins 91.
HAWIYE WARRIOR,
You're distorting the facts. There're a lot of buildings erected in Mogadishu over a time span of approximately, 20 yrs. from 70' until 90's through unexplained government grants and public fund misappropriations, unfortunately, all those building have bullet holes in them now..
still more building in that period of darkness in mogadishu alone than in all somaliland !!
kkkkkkk truth!!!!!!!!
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when will you sub humans feed your starving children. please tell me what you did with the aid that is being given to you from every single nation in the world. I look at those starving children and i feel sorry for them then remember their situation is not going to change.
instead of looking at somaliland turn your country from zoomalia to somalia. feed your starving children and elders, put clothing on your monkey like women.
somaliland this somaliland that
Alxamdullilah i will take a City of Tents Free of BANTU :) any day!
As compared to Moqadishu only Safe for so long as there are Bantu troops!
The day these Bantus leave is the day HELL's gates reopen for another hunting season. It is that day which anyone that knows Animal beahviour will witness EXODUS II… The Marathon to Dadaab will BREAK all known world records MEn, Women, Children, old, young, the goats, the chickens will all blaze the Road to Dadaab.
So no point in me comparing our beautiful city Hargeysa with that NAAR on earth simply awaiting the flames to be lit once again.
It will burn once again no matter what is built there and even if TRILLIONS of Dollars are spent and it looks like Dubia lett us wait till the Bantus leave…
:) Musqulisho SHALL burn again.
Buuxiye you way out of line mayn, personally I'm against the seperation but I would never wish Hargiesa to burn,that's a pure evil, Mogadishu will keep shining like the sun through the clouds.
Delusional much?
Sorry to have to tell you but Mogadisho has been nothing but a war torn sh*t hole for 21 years.
If you think its so shiny why don't you can you khaatumo family relocate there
Most of those refugees you see are the same Bantu-Somalis who you speak up for daily who failed their crops because of the drought. Just shows like Mitt Romney what kind of flip flopper you really are speaking of Bantus at least we got the power to kick them what about you and your slave masters the Habashis who got your "country" by the balls ??.
TO; ALL GOOD DEPATERS ON THIS FORUM.
I found out all These names are The SOME PERSON,mohamed cheers,Buuxiye,hawiye-warrior,reer dunbuluq. i have no idea why This person using all These different names either somalilandprees allowed him/her to use different names or They are ignoring.
saalim please tell me why do you come to that conclusion I know this place is weird you don't who is who
sahra.
I have been This forum long time in and out,i know most people Their hand writing and The way They express Them self's,i am also ex handwriting analysis expert.i have degree in GROPHOLOGY which is handwriting analysis expert.
thanks you very much brother
i am going to save the northern Somalis from another 20 years of tribal lies and international isolation. The Council in Hargeisa is set to collapse and the real Somali government will be ready to fill the vacuum in the next three years. In those three years we have to prepare a mechanism that empowers the locals to take ownership of their destiny and end the lies from the tribal council for once.
We will not support any violence because violence only validates the Council's scare tactics but we need other tactics in place and we are not in shortage.
We have to use the fact that there is no employment, recognition forthcoming, everything is tribal and the council's failures to deliver anything meaningful including education, normal services and the fact that Hargeisa is no a health hazard due to trash and the ever increasing rape and crime rates including traffic.
Almost every day a girl is molested and this is a fact, most "Somalilanders" are aware of it but they chose to ignore it and hide it. If they try to debate about this subject, I am happy to supply them with complete data from independent parties and Right groups. Just ask.
We have to exploit that the fact that the Arab, Esse Muse and Garhajis clans are predominantly pro-Somali Republic and ally them with Hartis and Samaroons.
We have to show that Kulmiye is one subclan private entity funded by that one money transfer company and their agent Hersi Gaab.
We have to inform the northern Somalis of the truth because this is the age of information and the more we give them the more they know the more people turn against them.
Right now things are heating up and no one refers to Silaanyo president anymore and this is why he recently summed up his Councilors for three day meeting. He questioned them why they have failed in every sense and even a simple comments from "Kayse" is more effective than them mohahahaha.
Regimes bigger than the Council in Hargeisa have been brought to their knees on the internet from one man keyboard.
Very soon I am going to deliver information unlike before seen by the separatists to northern Somalia and all youth groups will join my movement — SOMALI TRUTH MOVEMENT (STM).
Everyone deserves to know the truth and the truth is SL has collapsed and recognition and statehood is as far as the stars if not beyond.
The Somali government must not open dialogue with few Diaspora men if they do, I want them to also meet my local Maqaayaad gathers for a meeting too. Every Somali maqayaad must demand the same.
The Somali government should focus on its job in the south and less on the north, it must never allow violent tribal groups such as Khaatumo, SSC and others to mislead them. It must ignore them same way it should ignore the Council in Hargeisa.
Their whole argument is "south is a failure" so if the Somali government focuses on changing this image in the south, the northern runaway project has no argument and people from the north will instead come to the south for jobs and education. No more going to Uganda or Ethiopia.
The rest will just full into place on its own. No dialogue with regional tribal groups.
*fall into place
* now health hazard
let's go we're ready.
Just go back to school and learn how to write then you free to do whatever you whimsical mind to do.
jambazi.
your name sounds like ape name.so,piss off.
Their whole argument is "south is a failure" ! WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO NOW THAT THEIR MAIN ARGUMENT IS DEAD ???
PS : i want my card from the Somali Truth Movement !! :p
These Union supporters are doing disservice to the cause. They just demonstrating the gap between the people from Somaliland and Somalia in terms of intellect, wisdom and vision. They want Somalilnders to trash Somalia but we are too grown up for that. We should school them so they can learn one or two from us just like the honourable Somalia president!
Alhamdulilah first we have peace and a working government and system in place.
Somaliland is a resourceful state and it has all the means for viability, even potential vast oil, mountains of cements and many other natural resources, strategic ports etc. The citizens are very active too, Hargeisa is a lively city where private business thrive. All we need is more empowerment from the government.
Government needs to invest more in
1) Public infrastructure
2) live stock + agriculture
3) Tourism industry
4) Education +Health
5) Empowering the locals and providing JOBS
And also renovate and modernize the areas that are our first point of contact like the airport (work is already taking place) and presidential palace etc
Insha Allah may Somaliland succeed immensely
Amal, babe, do you even know what resourcefulness is ? the police the soldiers the central prison and the MPs are all paid by foreign aid. how can you claim somaliland to be self sufficient. it is time people should stop the lies. UK pays somaliland just under 100 million pounds direct and indirect aid.
100 million pounds direct and indirect aid.
ANNUALLY
Wanlaweyn,
What do you want to do for us, send us some rotten bananas or what? just joking lol. This is internal issue facing Somaliland in which we have to deal with it ourselves regardless of what route we take.
I guess you didn't understand what I was trying to say. First, what I meant with 'resourceful' is that it has full of natural resources (not the workforce resourcefulness) For example big land, sea ports, potential vast oil and many other natural resources that Somaliland can exploit to become more than self-sufficient.
Secondly, we have energetic and hard working citizens who are hungry for education, work etc but need empowerment from the government who don't do enough at all. That is why we have thriving private sector but the public sector and infrastructure needs investment from the government.
Lastly, everyone knows Somaliland has the means to become more than self-sufficient but needs good governance. Not only Somaliland but every country whether they are small or big needs a good governance if they want to ever be self-sufficient. So tell me how is Somaliland different?
Amal,
somaliland or the rest of Somalia is not self sufficient right now that is the truth and anything else is false find out about where the most of the UK aid to ''SOMALIA" goes. the reality is somali people need to stop being backward and face the truth. we need to set up "truth and reconciliation" kind of thing and rebuild our nation not one tribe is better off by its own. we should think big and look to the future.
Wanlawayn,
Well right now, yes their are ongoing issues and the current status quo is making everyone suffer. So long as bullets are flying in Mogadishu nothing much will change. But for anyone to say Somaliland will not be viable if left alone is wrong because Somaliland has all the means to become a viable country if effort is put in, same goes with Somalia and all other nations.
But as for re-uniting and reconciling that depends on how the two sides come to agreement and understanding and if they do then fair enough, I have a power sharing unitary model that I think is workable. Right now hostility against Somaliland is not going to change anything at all. You see when Djibouti went their own way despite the fact that we were preparing to celebrate their joining us, things have changed. We all know they had the full will to join but refused. Now they are independent but still Somalia's little angel lol while we are the enemy for leaving the union. So Somaliland then deeply regrets for choosing to join Somalia in 1960 and not even asking much.
With isaaqs is that they easily trust and don't cheat but they are also very straightforward, they either love you and will sacrifice everything for you or hate you and tell it to your face. If Somaliland's aim today was to be part and parcel of Somalia, you would have seen them put all their efforts to bring stability back long time ago and definitely not mini federal states based on clan lines.
Anways Somaliland can only be asked and enticed, nothing more. So instead of focusing on Somaliland and their internal issues, let the south sort themselves out first then we'll see what steps we can take from there.
Somalia should by now learn from their old misguided TFG mistakes who was only bent on steering internal issues in Somaliland. Somalia needs to leave Somaliland alone and sort their issues first then we can have a meaningful dialogue. Sheikh Hassan already made it clear that no military and no khiyaano. If they don't live up to their word then what makes you think Somaliland would trust them with anything let alone union.
p.s Nothing can stop what is written for us by Allah. I strongly believe Allah has good plans for Somaliland :)
Somaliland is clean from Somali blood.
“somaliland is clean somali blood”what lie,when They were clean siilanyo just few months ago shed blood in nothern somalia get your facts before you comment.how about 1991 when snm terroirest kill Thousands of innocent women,children in awdal state There proof of videos and it will be presented when The IC asks.
mo,
SNM mujahid were the only rebels I can ever think of who put the guns down after victory and suppressed their anger after a deep wound and instead reconciled. If few angry men took their anger out on some innocents then its wrong of those individual. SNM never pursued revenge. Cry whatever you like and spread falsehood. I respect Awdal people, but they were part and parcel of the Siad Barre atrocities against innocent Isaaq women and children and they were the biggest spies. But we reconciled and are now one people, Dir people, reer waqooyis and will stand strong on a common interest.
One of our great mujahid Tolwa was gadabursi, who bitterly fought for SNM, and he also helped with the reconciliation between SNM and reer Awdal.
Wanlaweyne
As always and synonymous to your nick name walaweyne is lying and you are lying to you teeth. Somaliland institutions like police, military, and prison are paid by Somaliland's tax payers. The international community refused even to pay for the training of Somaliland judges. The biggest chunk of aid to Somaliland is channeled through NGOs like NRC, DRC, Save the children, oxfam, WHO, Unicef and others. This NGOS have their petty shops and their support are negligibly small, a big chunk of those monies goes back to their fat pockets. Besides, why dont you produce some evidence instead of writing of your wishful thinking.
the problem Somali faces is that there's no stability. no amount of natural resource is going help them and no saint corporation is going invest place that guns are flying Somaliland is not a nation it can not become self sufficient that they already have or building infrastructure they cannot borrow or trade on top of that they have embargo in livestock all the money they're getting comes from the port and diaspora and little aid money those agencies give why is every body shock the condition of this place.
sahra,
Lack of recognition is also one of the reason Somaliland is in this situation. Somaliland is not recognized country so cannot even have access to direct foreign investment. But that will depend on what foreign policy Somaliland will pursue in the near future and what relationship Mogadishu-Hargeisa will agree upon. Other than that Somaliland has all the means to be a self-sufficient nation if they were recognized country.
Insha Allah I hope the coming dialogue between Mogadishu-Hargeisa brings about fruitful solution and understanding between the two brotherly Somali states. The best solution is a one that both agree upon and I hope they take wise decision in the meeting.
But still, without recognition Somaliland is doing fine.
I am really proud of Somaliland. I have been going back there every year since 2006 and everywhere I see improvements. With little or no outside help Somalilanders have done it for themselves. African and other developing countries can learn a lot about the Somaliland experience.
Here is a great Article by the guardian newspaper;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/pove…
the dar00d animals are out in force today. i would say something but i am scared they will kidnap me and ask my family for ransom . don't ever compare the great city of hargaisa to the toilet called garoowe and boosaaso. i have been to these place as part of bringing civilasation to the apes of those lands and i have to say the place doesnt even have shops let alone anything else. there is no electricy or running water in both of those cities. i guess the dar00ds have been trying to catch up to hargaisa,buro,berbera that they have fooled themselvs into thinking those places are more then OVERCROWDED VILLAGES. dar00d delusion is horrific.
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all I actually see is 1960 this and that loool Sorry Abtiyaal we will never use British invaders an excuse to divide the nation, not to mention British monsters committed crimes against humanity while they were in Somalia and Nothing good comes from dwelling in the past. lets put the past behind us and build the Somali republic together. :)
Unfortunaly french invaders suceeded to divide our somali nation with Djibouti and even british did it with Nfd under Kenya colonial border but as usually Walalweyn are only focus in Somaliland and seem to respect sovergnity of Kenya Ethiopia and Djibouti worst all these countries have now troops in Somalia shame lol
lool you are so cluess aren't u, Djibouti, NFD and Western Somalis are not part of somali republic territory, it's Greater Somalia dream and we can claim after we bring back somali republic, it's not about Qabil anymore or two nomads fighting over tuulo. hopefully you'll see the bigger picture.
"The Republic" was a stopping stone to the so-called Greater Somalia dream. But the dream was dealt a fatal blow when Djibouti decided not to join "the Republic", and then finished off (for good) by your uncle and all those who supported his scorched earth policy meted out to the innocent Isaqs. So, inaabti, you keep on crying crocodile tears or you move on – the decision is yours.
You mean Djibouti was literally cheated out of joining Somalia while the NDF/Somali-Galbeed were forced not to. That said they genuinely wanted to join Somalia whereas British-Somaliland and Italian-Somaliland were Somalia do your history before you blab nonsense the next time. The rest i can somewhat agree but that's still not a good enough reason to secede ??.
I said: Djibouti chose not to join what was then the so-called Somali Republic – period. And they have every right to do so; by the same token the Somaliland people HAVE every right to withdraw from the "union".
I guess you have no problem considering Djibouti as an independent Somali State, why is it difficult for your and your ilk to extend similar courtesies to Somaliland? You tell me!
Well said unionist do not want to recognize Somalis of Djibouti refuse Union in 77 despite be backed militarily, financially with safe back up in Somali rep by Barre regime during their struggle for independence. I cannot stand Omar guelleh who dare to speak about unity of fake and unfinished union of Somali rep and in same time his own clan stay away and rule country without real power sharing. Pitiful how haters always welcome djiboutian and bash Somaliland.
HW
"That said they genuinely wanted to join Somalia whereas British-Somaliland and Italian-Somaliland were Somalia" Djibouti was french Somaliland.
Bro, you have changed the whole history. Somaliland was like Djibouti and was briefly recognized by 35 countries including Israel but Somaliland people and leaders could not be stopped from joining Somalia because they had Greater-Somalia vision. Unlike Somaliland, Djibouti decided not to risk it despite the fact that we helped to free them and we prepared for their joining and were waiting for them. How can you deny simple history!!
:) Djbouti was correct NOT to join the Union after independence because:
- They observed the blatant Theft of all political power by Somalia-italia!
- They also had 50% Afar population who did not want to be part of a Somali republic!
The creation of a Somali republic totally ignores the presence of no Somali minorities in both Somalia-French and Somalia-Italia.
Somaliweyn is a system which can only work in a country that has only Somali ethnicity and the only country with 100% Somali ethnicity WAS and still IS Somaliland.
Djbouti is not a Somali state nor is Somali-Italia!
Until you understand that there i no hope of Peace or stability in the Horn of Africa…
Viva Somalilandweyn :)
Lool Reer you are one emotional dude, Unfortunaly I miss Somalia's glory days (Adden Cadde to Siad Barre rule) 75% of Somali population born after or during the civil war, keep holding on to Dhag-dheer stories your uncle this and that, never ending grieves. loool I don't need to cry. we are living in a world where unionist have the power, have you ever thought, how many African tribes want to secede their Motherland? and Somaliland is no different. I can easily promote my subclan state ( Khaatumo state) but we are not ready to give up on Hargeisa yet ( I have to admit Kayse has inspired me on this one, the more division the more problems)
looool no hard feelings inaabti you know I got mad love for y'all
The truth is this walaweyne cant do anything for themselves that is the reason why they cry after Somaliland. People from from Somaliland are highly intellegent and creative, one example is, majority of abwaans and fanaans are Somalilanders. Once, I red from a poster in this forum, saying, "all the good things com from Somaliland". The people of konfuur are lazy and they are not intellegent, they could not put their backyard in order untill Ugandans, Kenyans, Burundiana and Ethiopians came to clean their backyard. Walaweynes are crying after Somaliland because they know well the truth as mentioned above. Without somalilanders, somalia is doomed. One thing I like about Somalilanders is they are determined and focused, if you follow the SNM story from their humble beginning until achieving their goal of liberating Somaliland from Afweyne genocidal regime, this shows how Somalilanders are determine. And the issue of recognition is just a minor hurdle which will be overcomed sooner or later.
Jambazi Just like somalis say wixii xunba xaawa leh, leave walawayne out of it. insulting ur follow somalis from the south won't help you improve your low self-esteem
21 years have passed and it is only now they have their 1st SELECTED President. They are intent on executing a totally nonsensical FEDERAL system that will assure totally Division among all somalis. You are advocating the total disintegration of both Somalia & Somaliland and WANT to sell that as Togetherness???
You want to create How many States?
From Siyad barres 18 Gobols according to constitution every 2Gobols or more can form a Federal state?
Minimum States = 1
Maximum states = 9
Potential of 9 more puntlands where each will demand they have the Prime minster or else they disobey the central government?
You are you idiots out of your flubbing minds?
That is not Midnimo nor is it a system that can work for Somalis simply because there will be 9-presidents and 9-armies … practically this means Kenya, Ethiopia, Djbouti, Eritrea, Uganda, Burundi, Sudan, Rwanda and Egpyt can each sponsor one of the Gobols, Give them arms and sit with popcorn and watch somali extinction.
Federalism is not possible for Somalis… Ethiopian Federalism is based on a united central Military force that is unmatched in Africa with the mandate and ability to exert total will over ethiopian territory. The federal police are insignificant in comparison to the Central forces. Without such a strong central military force Ethiopia would have long disintegrated.
Federalism is the best way totally destroy disable the Somali indefinitely so that they may never attempt to FREE Kilil and NFD.
Somalia is welcome to breakup into 4.5-Federal STATES that become proxies for 3rd World dirt poor countries who themselves exist on AID. Federalism is will not function in a Post-Transition period and only become relevant as a product of TFG. Sheikh Hassan does not need it nor does he have to entertain this nonsense system that assigns him the status of a cloakroom clerk.
:) Trust me Federalism is over in reality even if politicians use the term loosely.
The Union of Somali Republic or the S.D.R…Military coup detat of Oct 1969-1991,
then collapsed and ousted by civil wars freedom fighters is no more a viable solution for obvious unworkable reasons. Since 1991 to current is 21 years where Somaliland and Somalia
are seperate entities and their differences are so hugh to simply disregard. Forget another cursed Union.In fact Somaliland and Djibouti are more conglomerates than Somaliland and Somalia.
In the event that Somalia fails to let go Somaliland, and the IC also fails to reward the just causes
of de jure Somaliland, then there's always the possiblity that Somaliland policies/politics might
shift to have better alliance with Djibouti etc. Because the two are same everything with less crisis.
Cheers.
Nothing will ever divide the Somali Republic. Any separatist will be met with heavy artillery and be forced to submit just like during the American civil war. The few cry babies in Morgan's private residenial home will never go anywhere regardless of their hate for their people and country…even the British meat buyer abandoned them just as he turned blind eye on Siad Bare if not funding him.
The British were living high life in Mogadishu and did nothing for you and it amazes me they still claim he is some sort of father figure to their dream….
He is the father he adopted them then gave them up for a new orphanage center called the Somali Republic….now they screaming back to him "Father…father of Britannia, have thee forgotten us? Oh darling, the orphanage you left us behind in 1960 is full of too many Jack the Ripper, rescue us thee father, Oh darling and Sir and Colonial Master! We missed you! You gave us borders and gave us Hartis and everyone, before we only used to fight over camels and reservoirs…now we have international border all the way to Tukaraq thanks to thee father"
No father kids, he is back in Mogadishu and business is back to where it was left interrupted in 1991…mel kale uu baaryo taaga.
well said kayse.
I don't know how I managed to spell your name with 'c' at the bottom.
Anyways, Somalilanders now literally became immune to all your attacks
amal-sister we somaliladers who believe other way I hope we agree to agree without being agreeable.
lol No we should agree to disagree until agree to agree becomes agreeable :)
the problems I have is you saying we Somaliland are immune to all attacks sister I don't speak for you do not speak for me you could said we supporters independent nation feel this way Somaliland inhabited do not have the same perspective i for one don't have a problem with kayse you can laugh all you want
@sahra.
your comment makes big sense,well balance comment.
mohamed-what we here is people with little commonsense never once did ever analyse the situation with different lenses and still have us driving 1950 Volkswagen no tires and stuck in mud for two decades and anyone who says to them it's too long and we need to look for another car this cheap artist will come out woodwork to attack you all they got what they don't realize is we're more determinant and we refuse to back to square one no way no how they can come in with hundred different names in this website it wont change a thing
Cheap shot; besides we Somaliland supporters speak for the vast majority of the Somaliland people, love it or loathe it.
nothing to loathe the picture is front of us not a pretty side'
Sahra hahahahaha wallahi you summed it up perfectly how I feel about these angry cry babies. Part of the reason I beat them so hard is because if you reason with them like a normal person and tell them kindly, walalayaal this bus is going no where, let's us improvise, they will go mad and call you faqash, Daami and all kinds of things.
They so blinded by hate and only know one way track. I suggest to them the book called "Who moved my cheese?".
"Cheese is a metaphor for what you want in life – be it a good job, a loving relationship, money or possessions, health or spiritual peace of mind. And the maze is where you look for what you want – the organization you work in, or the family or community where you live. This book shows how to anticipate change, adapt quickly, enjoy the change and be ready for more, so that you suffer from less stress and enjoy more success in life."
They are stuck and anyone that offers them another solution or anything that deals with change becomes the son of Siad, they see nothing else, who wants to be part of that?
They are stuck in the mud with no wheels and no mechanic just waiting for a British butcher's tow truck. Let them wait forever, no towing truck is coming to a sinking wheelbarrow….they be lucky if they had VW sahra, they pushing wheelbarrows in search of recognition.
Masakiin.
dabadilifkeyse you are faqaash who want to be Somalilander or isaaq-shegato. Isaaqnimada waa loodhasha lama sheegto.
sahra, hmm funny sometimes you are MJ from Garowe other times you are a Somalilander. I don't speak for you; I speak for the majority who support Somaliland's cause.
'Somalilander' is a political choice so what's the problem?
I know who I'm it's your people who're using my name but nobody can discredit me as i said before you can not win with the argument try to attach them to another place since i was advocating all Somalia that did not bother me'
sahra,
Sister, I don't know whether it is comprehension or language issue with you but next time I will try to address you more simply. I am not trying to discredit you in any form or shape nor am I here to argue with you and I respect your views but you know very well who I was referring to in my earlier comment when I said "Somalilanders are immune…" so there was no need for you to twist it and jump on.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE. YOU'RE MJ FROM GAROWA OTHER TIMES YOU SOMALILANDER THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID WHICH I ATTEMPTED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT'S NOT MY FAULT IF YOU GET THAT IMPRESSION BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE USING MY NAME AND TRYING DISCREDIT ME WHEN THEY CANNOT WIN THE ARGUMENT SO I CONCLUDED SAYING IAM ADVOCATING FOR SOMALIA NO PART SOMALIA BOTHERS ME WHAT ARE WE MISS HERE.
sahra,
You were trying to explain that some people use your name to discredit you. Ok sister, fair enough. I have also reiterated to you what I meant in my first post.
Hope next time we understand each other better.
Sahra.
be careful also amal uses double names in This forum,such as,m cheers,buuxiye,@undefined,reer dunbuluq,billy and many other names.
Warya, respect amal, she is cool and unionist she just doesn't want to break their hearts. Inaanti ugu quruxdaa badneed baan ka wadanay and they got the likes of Gobaad left mohehehehehehehe.
correction disagree lol
hahahahahaha of course what I say I say it for a reason, it all goes back to the art of action-reaction-solution. It has worked so far if it didn't where are half of the "Somalilanders". Always dispersing them is a win, disrupting them is a victory…now they starting to question their useless council.
Every time they get agitated we figure out another one of their weaknesses. Your not separatist stop misleading them walaal and join the Somali Truth Movement. My plan is to create a website and at the top banner it will have Silaanyo in Shaka Zulu style outfit and I will have tribal figures bowing to him…Hersi Gaab will be some dwarf evil (mini-me style with long elf ears and on one hand he will have al Shabab banner)….
They all live in a virtual imaginary world and I will have little voices screaming "Adeer, let's break the glass and explore the world" reference to breaking free from Utopia and into the real world…there they will discover figures that look Somali and the Utopianlanders will shout "war baal eega hariimacaadkas"…anyways they eventually tumble on a mirror and for the first time they see their own faces and looks and they discover who they really are.
We got cheetahs crying behind hyenas and claim the hyena is their father but the fellow cheetahs in the south are no uno familiar amigos!
Every different tactic opens a new door/chapter which we didn't exploit before. They are slow and won't even realize what I am doing. My brain is bigger than their fake map mohahahahahaha…
well said remember there is not much of apposition for you desperate times has begun you have them on the run and the only strategies in their pocket it to use multiple names
Kayse,
I'm not misleading anyone walaal, I do have my views and I have already shared them with Khatumo and others.
I have realized why you write what your write, you looking for reaction. That's old now, Somalilanders are used to it and don't care about attacks anymore. Somaliland will always remain with the people's wish. It's not owned by Silanyo but by its people and they will decide what's good for them.
Somaliland will remain with the people's wish
Kayse,
P.s your so-called action-reaction-solution did not work in how you planned. Yes they reacted but that did not make them doubt themselves but instead more patriotic and oppose even more the 'solution' offered. Bashing, undermining and insulting only makes one go the other way causing even more division. But what you did is a wake up call that not everything is chocolate and roses and to work harder and prepare for the worst. For Somaliland supporters to ever consider unification with Somalia is only if they get ideological change and leaders can influence ideological change on their masses.
I doubt if your brain bigger than a peanut.
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