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Somalia: Turkey is dead wrong
June 2, 2012 · 142 Comments
OPINION | JUNE 2, 2012
Having only met with the ignorant and power obsessed trio-TFG leaders and their opportunistic followers, the Turks are jumping up and down with joy and thinking that they have all over again discovered a new 21st century Americas in the continent of Africa, which is heaving with riches. The Turks wrongfully assume that they will be able to settle in Somalia, dominate Somalis politically and simply drain Somalia’s natural resources as the European settlers did in the 15th century Americas. They are thinking if that worked with the Kurdish people for so long, why not with the Somalis? They also ambitiously see Somalia as a gateway to their future Horn of Africa colonies.
If you think I am wrong, please check what the Turks did within the last few months in Somalia. They supplied more disaster relief and did more infrastructural construction than any country on earth in that civil war and then famine stricken Somalia – At first the Somalis though that this was noble and was no strings- attached kindness from a sisterly Muslim country that was disgusted with the Arab, Muslim and Western indifference to the more than two decade-old blight in Somalia.
No more than few months, the Turks contradicted themselves and began meddling in the internal political affairs of the Horn of Africa. They arrogantly and openly denied the hard-earned, democratic and the peaceful self- determination of the Somaliland people. The Turks strongly advocated for what it called the united Somalia – I would respectfully like to correct Mr. Erdogan, the politically ambitious Turkish conqueror of Somalia and inform him that there was no such thing called “Somalia” in which Somaliland was part of. The Somaliland-Somalia annulled union of the 1960 was called the Somali Republic to begin with and not “Somalia”. I will also with all sincerity encourage him to take his time and read the ancient and contemporary Somaliland history before he takes further damaging political decision that might affect Turkey’s future relations with the people of that strategically located country, which is correctly called Somaliland.
The Turks have air-lifted hundreds of illiterate people cautiously selected by Somalia’s trio-TFG leaders to Istanbul – to mislead the international community, these people were intentionally and falsely named “Somalia’s civil societies”. These people were accommodated in the most glamorous hotels in Turkey and were dined in the most exquisite restaurants with the hope of buying their future allegiance.
It was soon discovered that The Turkish assistance was no different than European buying slaves from African chiefs with glittery beads. To be fair, the Turks better treated the Somalis from Somalia than their counterpart African slaves of the 19th century to the Americas and the present day Turkish Kurds. At least Somalis are being transported by planes and not crowded in old ships and unlike Kurdistan, Somalia is promised to be rebuilt and not to be destroyed day in and day out by the mighty Turkish air force. But who knows what Turkey has in store for the future Somalia.
I am surprised that the Turks did not even mull over and think about the reasons that lead the Italian defeated in Somalia. The Italian ruled Somalia for a century, but they collected their luggage hastily and ran for their lives after coming face to face with Somalia’s deadly reality in 1960.
The Turkish leaders are ignorant of the fact that Somalis are one of the most politically slanting and entrepreneurial creatures on earth. To be precise, the opposite is true; the Somalis in Somalia (former Italian colony) are the ones who are sharpening their knives better and not the Turks. Everyone in Mogadishu is impatiently waiting to get his/her piece of the Turkish-pie even if that will take kidnapping few Turkish aide workers.
I do not have vista of the current gloomy political upheaval in Somalia ending in the years to come, but still, I can foresee another war taking place after Somalia’s political dust settles – that is if it does settle down. The final war will be over the spoils left by the Turks and that might drag on long after we are all gone. I might be proven wrong, but I believe the Turks are dead wrong and will not be able to bribe and subjugate Somalis to become Turkey’s version Europe’s 15th century Americas. There are millions of better educated and politically more sophisticated Somalis than the few opportunists the Turks met in the fortified Mogadishu’s equivalent to the Green Square in Bagdad, Iraq.
by Yusuf Dirir Ali,MD
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Turkey should stick to humaniterian assistance and keep out of Somali domestic affairs!
Somalis are naive to think that Turkeys involvement in Somalis is altruistic. These johnny-come-latelys
have there own agenda.
The Author wrote This artical must be very confuse not near telling The reality,turkey has no real interest in somalia,somali does not have any natural resources That can Attract foreign countries.stratecgic location Author talking about today we are living cutting Edge technology cruise missile or Tomahawk can be Thrown middle of The ocean without coming near The targed,most submarines warships power by nuclear Engergy can stay in The ocean more Than six month with no refueling so This issue of strategic location not relevant.Also turkey it’s not one of The major powers such U.S Russia put member of NATO she’a not interest That.
Turkey come to somalia for only one reason help somalis best way They can turkey has no border with somali no economic & political ties so There’s no real interest for tutkey.fortunately current goverm which values islam in a good way decided to do something current situation in somalia,somalis have been neglected minibulated bush around for long The west.Aid & politic are intertwined in This part of africa specaily somalia so giving Aid without political settlement it’s disaster will not work turkey should pursue Both.Author is misguiding others baseless not looking full picture somali society Accept only inerested The more somali fire keep burning The more some folk’s keep fake hope a live.
its really sad thing to see how the secessionist enclave of somaliland is sinking to new level by attacking everyone who helps Somalia ,the somaliland enclave is desperate and they wont shy away from attacking our muslim brothers and glorifying the apartheid state of israel,shame on you guys !
Wallah this is sick and disgusting to read. this person who wrote this is an enemy of Islam
Turkey is too gullible and are going to use up all there foreign aide to some greedy moryaan in xamar.The so-called government of somalia aka the TFG are a bunch of crooks, who don't care about any somali people but there pockets.Hopefully turkey will realize the truth when all there money spent on the useless TFG. Instead Turkey should have invested in Somaliland, that would have help secure the Horn of Africa hundred times more.
Turkey is playing double standards. They openly support the 'Republic of Northern Cyprus' after invading Cyprus in the 1970's. Despite the UN's similar stance to Somaliland of not recognising it as a seperate country, Turkey is the only country do so, arguing it is the right of the local citizens to determine there destiny and has thousands of troops stationed there. When it come to Somaliland's people right, it simply ignores them and there history.
Ibrahim, you make an extremely valid point.
Ahmed,
lol no wonder why Somalilanders would rather die than share a country with you. You guys have so much hate even after you've committed the greatest atrocities in Somali history against Somaliland. I'm afraid if you were unable to win the heart and mind of Somaliland back, there is nothing you can ever do, believe me. Yesterday S.N.M had the power to topple over your so-call Africa's biggest and were even capable of marching invading twisting and turning your so-called Somalia but they have chosen peace and to stay away, I'm sure you don't want to invite the taught cookies.
I will advice you to just focus in bringing peace and security for the poor innocent people of Somalia. The women and children in Somalia had enough! because hate mongers with twisted minds like you only focus in Somaliland but not how to bring peace and security for their own people.
Very poorly and unprofessionally written article. The author failed to demonstrate basic knowledge of global politics as well as Turkey's internal affairs.
Author's grammatical, factual as well as ethical errors are indeed astonishing.
Agree. Gosh.
Cheers.
hahhahah i know
No one and nothing will be ever right for Somalis; savages they will leave and savages they will die. It have become customary for Somalis to see exploitation and conspiracy behind every tree. Don't falsely blame others because we are the greatest enemies of our existence as a race.
Turkey has no economic agenda about Somalia. The Turkish government and its people are only helping Somali people who are forgotten by the rest of the world. If Somalia had resources to be stolen, its people will not starve and its vegetation would not have been cleared and burned as a charcoal.
as savages they will live and as savages they will die that is
That's why I have no faith in real Somali reconciliation. Best thing is we live side by side with open borders else we will eat each other up like cat and mouse. To understand current Somali problem you have to understand their history and as nomads we’ve always fought over petty things like land and water reserves but when the wrong and uneducated leaders got hold of the Somali leadership post independence, they put a dagger and cut a huge wound. We could have prevented this by taking precautionary measures and handling the union and constitution properly and fairly but we didn’t. And now after all that we are still on eachother's throat after 21 years union is surely dead and burried. So I say good luck to two state solution for the greater good and for our very existence.
It takes a war to know what you have to work hard at to maintain peace. Also unlike the Somalia of the past who were ignorant to the effects of a coup and a dictator are now smart enough to know that no full power should be consolidated on one person.
Lastly now we have an educated class with Western ideals, business men, diaspora class, rich warlords/ thief/ pirates, old regime technocrats, retired generals, religious fleet of shaikhs and a populace of illiterate who side with who ever can guarantee food and dignity. This diverse mix of the Somali society is a lot more hesitant of a dictatorship taking root, are opinionated people, all understand democracy, don't want another war if they can get security.
This future Somalia is a lot different from the one f the past. The past Somalia was a small kid who got the keys to a Tank. After many years of growing up, trust me this Adult does not want to drive the tank over a cliff again.
Turkey is helping Somalia not Somaliland because internationally that is what all of the regions of Somalia are called. Yes I would be cautious in welcoming any external influences ,,, but honestly as far as Somalia is concerned there is hundreds of Proxy based influences tugging away at Somlias future, one more in the fray is no suprise. All that remains to be seen is if they are in Somalias side or not for which most influences in Somalia already are.
Brothers and Sisters from Somaliland you all have a role to play in Somalia. The atrocities done are real and disgusting but in Somalia that is very mutual to every clan … it happened to everyone. But it is also true the SNM started the Northern revolt, and the military reaction that resulted although too extreme and undisciplined was provoked. We need to reconcile and get a true image of what happened and bring Justice to those who have been wronged, that is the true way of moving forward. We can't bury our heads in the sand nor can your take your ball and decide not to play anymore. Be responsible, and recognize the SNM's ambition was to get better representation in Mogadishu … now is the time to participate in Somalia and be like Turkey and have a positive influence in Somalia become a progressive non-clan based society. I say it again, be responsible and participate because Somaliland leaders were also responsible for the state Somalia is in. The SNM wanted Somalia until they broke it and lost desire. Be responsible, and participate.
We lived we loved we left. No return. We are not those who continued to exert itself over Somalia but instead all the SNM asked of Somalia was to make up its mind on what it wants. They couldn't so they asked all to live but their few warlords. Reality is Somalia is suffering because the civil war ended and power tugs between clans/tribes ended in this ball of mess. Somaliland helped build Somalia then it lost its own for it only to rebuild for the second time but asking them to invest for the third time for those who asked them to get out for they have no rights with them is just out of this realm.
Who told you to get out? Not I, nor was it Somali's. What Somali's in the North forget is that there was a dictator and a military that lost discipline and split along Clan lines. There was a few playing the Clan game while the majority were starving, or doing whatever they could to get by.
Atrocities happened before the Civil War, during the Civil War, after the Civil War, and certainly 21 years after they are still happening. There is no special group that was hurt more than the other … wars are a great equalizer when it comes to pain and misery.
As far as I see, I have seen the Somali's of the Central and South evolve in becoming more open minded, and less tied to clan based norms. War, fear and insecurity as bad as it has been has the trade off creating a society that is more individualistic much like how Westernized countries are. I truly see the potential of a united Somalia. Peace certainly has plenty of opportunities for Somalia. I fear the North might still be stuck in the mindset of 1990, and that from Mogadishu a more stable democracy evolves, the North is not strategically placing itself within it.
I absolutely concur with this very well thoughtful article. The writer brought to the surface the many hidden agendas of which the Turkish government is in presumably helping Somalis. First of all there's no such a free lunch in this world, It's very easy to fathom though the Turkish PM represents for the Turkish people not the Muslims all over the world., therefore he has to justify to the Turkish
hard-core political critics and his own constituencies on every penny of donations he doles out to a foreign nation..
It's a natural a human reaction to ask, Why has the Turkish government gone wild spending spree on Somalia recently?
To put things in perspective: the conference expenditures, TPM last year's trip to Somalia and other huge hand outs that Somalia has been receiving from Turkey were already factored in by the Turks.
In other words, there's no secret, Somalia's next generations will bear the burden on everything that TGF has been receiving from Turkey so far.
How? through exploitation of Somalia's natural resources, e.g fishing, gas and precious metals. Turkey is trying to become one of the European economic powerhouses to do so, it needs Africa's raw material..
Where Somaliland fits in this? I'm not sure, but my guess is that Somaliland government is being an opportunist in which it's taking an advantage of the situation. Even though, I don't support it,
hey! what the heck it's an executive decision by elected Somalilander officials so I have to respect it.
I'm not in the position to rally about it.
Osman Qaal
@Mohamed A,
I have a simple answer: Somalia is yours, not ours [Somalilanders]; sort out your problems and let us deal with ours; besides, we are not interested in making life difficult for you, please DO reciprocate the favor and just leave us alone. Is that too much to ask of you?
Somalia is both of ours, and Somliland is part of Somalia the problem to solve is the responsibility of all of us.
The North has an important responsibility. The Civil War was influenced by events in the North and elsewhere as well. True responsibility is to get involved in the reconciliation and peace. I'm glad you care in not making life difficult, but realize that the best things in life are not easy, they are difficult and you work on it everyday. The easy way is to have Somalia split into many fiefdoms with rulers who think they are masters of the world. This is bad because it takes people out of government, encourages corruption, and economically each fiefdom will be bidding against each other. Economically it is in Somalia's best interest to leverage the land, the people, and the culture of the entire Somalia rather than 5 or more Somalia's.
I know enough to know that SNM was created to have better representation for the North in Mogadishu rather than becoming Somaliland. Now is the time to fulfill those wishes. Those in the North blame the South not realizing that those in control were not democratically elected but rather despotic dictators. They never spoke for the populace nor could they ever represent the populace. Don't hold contempt for a Somalia that didn't represent Somali's.
You are in London I am in Canada, we are both Somali's tell me why I should leave you alone? Clearly your in pain so tell me what is bothering you … airing out grievances is how you begin the process of healing.
Before I "respond" to your few (and somewhat) pathetic assertions, you said, "Somalilland is a part of Somalia" – since when, if you don't mind my asking?
You are in Canada, and by the look of it in Calgary.
My friend I am in Toronto,
Since 1960, you should know that.
Good!
Are we referring to the now defunct de facto Somali Republic? Not Somalia, right?
Correct, the one that was joined with open arms, and the one I was and many others were born to.
Also let me remind you it is the one that is internationally recognized.
Now we can talk.
In that case, you do presumably accept that Somaliland (erstwhile British Somaliland ) and Somalia (erstwhile Italian Somaliland) constituted the so-called "Somali Republic".
This means that you were wrong to say that Somaliland is a part of Somalia, right? Somaliland is not the north of Somalia nor has Somaliland ever been a part of Somalia.
When the "Somali Republic" collapsed, the Somaliland people decided to revert back to their original status (their nation state), Somaliland. I hope you accept these incontestable facts. And if you do, which you should, then your rigmarole about Somaliland evaporates.
Yes, Somaliland, like Djibout, NFD and Ogaden, should help the Somali people suffering in Somalia in whatever way it can, but that is about it – i.e., there is nothing special about Somaliland as far as Somalia problems are concerned.
My friend I'm not here to debate semantics, but if I follow your logic you are saying Somaliland was not part of Somalia. Saying Somalia or Somali Republic is the same thing, one is a long form the other is a short form. Now it is true British Somaliland merged with Italian Somaliland. It is also true that Somliland is part of Somalia … actually in all fairness technically after a merger the past entity no longer exists. It just becomes the Somali Republic and hence Somalia and this is the reason why Somalia is recognized as whole not just as parts.
So once Somaliland merged it stopped being called Somaliland as an entity. You cannot just walk out from a merger without due process. So what incontestable facts exist? One day you are a part of the other you want to leave is not a way a country runs.
My correction is Somaliland became Somalia.
Matey, in world politics semantics matters. A simple, yet very illustrative analogy is the United Kingdom (UK). The name, “UK”, refers to the union of what were once four separate nations: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. So if I follow your logic, England and UK are the same thing – actually to many Somalis in the Horn, this is the case.
One more thing, the people of Somaliland rejected the so-called "union" constitution, and in essence they were under occupation for over 3o years – i.e., the legal bases of your "Somali Republic" was questionable, under international law, in the first place. In other words the merger you are referring to was legally dubious and then collapsed; this what makes Somaliland's case irreproachable.
I am going to hit the sack – tomorrow!
"… So once Somaliland merged it stopped being called Somaliland as an entity. You cannot just walk out from a merger without due process. So what incontestable facts exist? One day you are a part of the other you want to leave is not a way a country runs …" So, what is your point?
Once two countries emergies, neither of them cannot get? FYI union is like a marriage, if it doesn't work they go their separate ways and none of them can force other to stay. So, get lose and stop stalking us. The marriage is over and there nonthing any "ergo" can do about to keep us together. Tani way dhammatee, ka doon doono meel kale.
Mohamed A,
Aside the technicality aspect of the topic, it seems you're ok with when Somaliland and Somalia were identified as 2 separate entities by the European but you have no respect as your brothers and sisters Somalilanders made a bold decision of regaining their own lost identity on their own terms 21 yrs. ago.
How would we be able to converse with each other where you aren't honoring our mere wishes?
Osman Qaal
Not just Europe but the world recognized the separate entities, it would be hard to argue against that.
The decision made 21 years ago was an opportunistic one. For one reason those in the North were partly responsible for this on going mess. Secondly it didn't represent all of Somalia nor why should mutual respect start at honoring separatist wishes. If that was honored we would be speaking to a whole separate nation. Better to talk while in house and create the steps forward in a legal democratic matter.
Again this is not a partnership where one walks out if things aren't going well. Let me put it to you in a simple matter. Two buckets of coloured water are indistinguishable when they are in separate buckets. But once you add both to a third empty bucket and asked you to separate them back for me … it would be rather hard, not impossible. It would involve all parties to be involved in the act of separating.
Mohamed A.,
I like your analogy it's quite scientific and as you wrote it isn't impossible but requires a lab setting if one desires to experiment it. instead of mixing 2 liquid substances, here is my analogy: I see Somaliland and Somalia as a couple who got married after they both had graduated from 2 different universities. During the first few years they're in love with each other they used kiss and hold hands proudly in public.
Then all of sudden, one started drinking heavily and became abusive, the victim hid the domestic problem from their closed friends for a number of years. The abuse, however, got worse. Finally the victim left home and start a new life and went back to school for graduate studies and landed on a high salary paying job.
The abuser on the other hand, had continued drinking heavily, employment lost occurred then neighbors finally intervened and somewhat convince to started to cut back drinking a bit.
Anyway to make a long story short, the couple met again 21 yrs. later, and abuser goes are you realized that we're still legally married? the victim goes I don't really care, I have a better live now and there's no way we never sleep together under the same roof.
Osman qaal
Mohamed A,
Well! You are making an erroneous assumption here: Somaliland and Somalia were/are the same in every respect except the name tag. For the sake of argument, let us just go along with your assertion "….It would involve all parties to be involved in the act of separating".
Let me tell you, the ultimate goal of the long and bloody costly struggle that the Somaliland people endured for over 30 years (1960 – 1991) was achieving the very separation you mentioned; I am afraid, your beloved Somalia was also heavily involved in this struggle, of course, being on the other side of the fence – Somaliland won and Somalia lost, right?
Mohamed A,
Do not waste your time with the usual gang of hardcore separatists. These folks dowel in lalaland where what we call extensional orientation in semantics has not place. They will try to bog you down with what is called "nonsensical questions" in logic. Do not answer their questions and do not follow them to their dark dens and hideouts. Just post your comments on the main page and do not engage anyone of them especially in @Hargeisawi in Queensland.
extensional orientation in semantics has not a place that is
Mohamed A,
I also happen to be in Toronto and I will be delighted to meet an enlightened compatriot like you. Tim Horton any time!
Matey, we are talking about reality, not fantasy.
Allemagan,
It sounds like a date to me. Are you a female trapped in man's body?…any way, good luck with your new date lool…
Osman Qaal
The SNM was actually was created to rid the country of the dictatorship and turn it into a modern democratic decentralised state based on Somali traditional system (what Somaliland has become).
Everything changed when the chaps in Mogadishu (Cali Mahdi & Infamous Manifesto group) decided to unilaterally declared themselves new rulers of Somalia, sidelining the men who had been waging a brutal decade long war with the ruthless regime. That my friend was the straw that broke the camels back.
I find it strange that people in Somalia proper are always looking towards other to solve their problems.
Somaliland has zero sphere of influence in southern Somalia.
Mohamed A,
I do have best Somali friends all over the world whom respect enormously but would't wish to share a normal work environment with them let alone sharing a complicated government settings with Somali politicians. A lot of Somalilanders share my stance.
Osman Qaal
"I do have best Somali friends all over the world whom respect enormously but would't wish to share a normal work environment"
what a sad mind set my friend . it makes me really to see Somali person claiming he cannot share a work enviro with other Somali. i work for an accountant firm and i brought two Somalis in to this firm. i don't know if they are from north or south what i do now is it makes me happy to see their faces every morning. they earn good money and i know where a lot of that money goes ( somalia)
ps: how do you know which "somali" rthey are when you are deciding if you want work with them" !!!!!!??????
Bro, we as Somalialanders aren’t saying ,like our enemies are portraying us, we hate our fellow Somalis. What we are say our affairs and our country are ours. We need to be apart. Two different countries were we mind our own. But at same time with open boarders when it comes to trade, commerce, and citizens crossing and investment. Trust is a rare commodity in the Somali territories and this will help us all heal our wounds.Gain back our trust.
waa yaab,
You did not have to quote me what I've written, I'm well awe of as It stated and knowing the circumstances around it. there's no arrogance or bigotry intentions on my part. I work at an environment where things are done with due diligence and a room for honest mistakes doesn't exist. Somalis in general are prone to short cuts in what they do out of a laziness and lack of proper work ethics.
I usually blame on the environment they brought up, even though I wish it could be used repeatedly but that should have certain limitations. I'm a firm believer of people do deserve chances in live to improve and grow, nevertheless am frankly running out of options when it comes to Somalis and modern work places.
How do I differentiate Somalilanders from Somalis at work? by their work ethics…
Osman Qaal
@ Mohamed A. "… I know enough to know that SNM was created to have better representation for the North in Mogadishu rather than becoming Somaliland. Now is the time to fulfill those wishes …" That was then and this is now. Sorry, we are not interested. Because, it is too little too late. The ship has left long time ago and certain there is no turning back. No way in hell!
For Turkey and for the whole world there exists only one Somalia. It is only us that see the differences and nuances between one Somali and another. Each one of us creates his/her magic kingdom that only exists in their vivid imagination and in their corner of the sea of misery that is called Somalia.
“Oh ye girl” is a great song that captures the tragedy of Somalia and its people. Here is the last song by our hero and academic Mohamed Mooge Libaan. Ignore the pictures and the flag which are added by misguided souls with an agenda in Youtube. Listen to the lyrics carefully. Note that Wabiga Ganaane/Ganane Rive in Luuq is located in the furthest tip of Southern Somalia. Now some misguided separatist will tell you that SNM fought for dismembering Somalia. We know better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9BFItMSHqs&fe…
@Allemagan.
well writen comment you wrote put i am affriad some of These creatures your talking to are not up to scrach for so many reasons.better of debating people who are more stable mentally.
Excellent and well reasoned points walaal. One can plainly see that you are far more educated than most commenters in this page. No matter how you try to reason with these folks, they will never change their stripes. Keep telling the truth and do not be intimidated by the usual gang that always shoot the messenger with the message. They live in their own la la land.
always shoots the messenger with the message that is
The above message is addressed to Mohamed A.
I'm really worried about the state of your mental health. It is worrisome that you are now addressing yourself by posted comments in this forum, using the second person pronoun on yourself and praising yourself as better educated than others on this public forum is crazy.
Poor Allemagan,
It seem that your understanding of the Somali language is quite poor. This song was written by Abdi Qays, who is alive and kicking in Somaliland. In order to understand the lyrics of this song better, you should contact Abdi Qays in Hargeisa. The song was written well over two decades before SNM was founded. It is an expression of Somaliland's anger and dissatisfaction with successive Somalia-lead corrupt regimes.
@Dhugtame,
How then do you explain the words about Wabi Ganaane/Ganane River then Dhugtame?
Get well Allemgen, I do not want you to throw yourself over the cliff. Do not worry about Ganaane, just go and see your family doctor as soon as possible.
Allemagan,
It's very ironic that you seemed an educated person but hanged up on very outdated mentality. You believe 2 must have an intimacy relationship to be good friends. Somaliland and Somalia will be more respected if they run their political affairs separately but support each other on the world stage e.g. AU, UN and the Arab League so they would be able to bolster their voices in volume. Putting your main focus on dragging Somaliland into Somalia's mess is a bitter pill to swallow.
Osman Qaal
The word Intimacy should be intimate…
@Allamagan,
I am afraid, the world knows the five-pointed star at the center of the “Greater Somalia” flag symbolizes the so-called Five Somali Territories, and that Somalia is one of these territories.
As for what cause SNM fought, you are absolutely right – my SNM heroes did not pick up arms to dismember your Somalia. They fought for the liberation of Somaliland, which is self-evidently not a part of Somalia.
Dhugtame, walaweyn af Somali hagaagsana ma yaqaaniin gebiba, waxa murtida la yidhaa way ka aradanyihiin. Miskiinkani muxuu hees, murti, iyo halxidhaale ka yaqaanaan!
"… No matter how you try to reason with these folks, they will never change their stripes…" If you are trying to take us for fools, you are dead wrong. We fare ully awake and we can see you and hear loud and clear. But we don't a heed. Besides, we are not anything like our naive and trusting fathers who took our country and liberty with blind sisterly love to the South and we have all seen the reward we got in return. Death and total destruction of our country was our reward. And now we reverted to our previous Statehood, you can wail, rant and rave as much as you want and you can undermine Somaliland's progress as much as you want, and create false states as much as you want. It wouldn't make any difference to us. All we are saying now is: Geediga wadaay, whether anybody likes it or not
Yusuf Dirir, runti aan galashada layn baan kugu jeclahay!
… runta aan gabashada layn baan kugu jeclahay, that is.
Why do Somali's hate each other? Is it because they love to hate each other? We are not even going to understand even if we are better off apart if we are not willing to talk to each other and reach a consensus. First peace then negotiations. How would we economically develop if we are competing against each other, how will border issues be resolved when it comes to pastoral nomads. How about extradition issues regarding a criminal? How about piracy in waters off your coastal border, how about trade and tariffs, central bank, and currency?
One can't even fathom becoming a state without even discussing these issues. What can happen is over time as peace takes affect, Somaliland becomes less a place to invest because of all those unresolved issues. Somaliland folks need to be responsible and take part in a new Somalia not pigeon hole themselves into an area that the British colonized and be happy for it.
Oh Gosh. tired and feed up.
Cheers
No I'm not tired, nor fed up. Ignorance is hard work to fight against you must agree with that?
Mohamed A, it is true that Ignorance, arrogrance, phantom-limb mentality people like walaweyn is hard work to fight against. So, keep chasing the mirage until the cows come home!
@mohamed cheers
why are keep saying cheers? were you born upside down?
Seek legal advice from mad cap Kayse your legal doctor psy'chiatrist. or perhaps his soulmate the
jinni mermaid mohahahaha in the Puntlandpiracy highseas?. You and Kayse are two mad caps.
Cheers.
U mean dabakeen no sir.Am thorough bred madaxkeen. How about you and Kayse sacsac and btw Bulle
gabar iyo will mooye madiga kilkilayay watan/kan kkkkk kaso hadhaha'e.
Cheers.
Mohamed A.,
The top priorities for Somalia should be finding peace and reconciliations among Somalis by the Somalis then establishing workable relations with Somaliland.
the treaty accord items between such 2 nations you've listed above are secondary concerns in Somalia's current situations.
It doesn't get you anywhere by rushing to complete a home insurance form before you even finished foundations of future home.. it would make more sense to complete your dream home then protect it afterwards.
Osman Qaal
You are right, but I am not part of the Somali government nor do I have influence over it and it's timetable. I do see although the winds are starting to line up. Islamic Courts was a sign that the people are tired of war and are willing to settle with whomever can promise security. The Western countries and their proxies seem to have realized there interests are beginning to align. The AU forces are showing progress, the corrupt politicians have tighter ropes to walk on, and those outside of Somalia are educated, have dispensable cash, and are becoming organized. Once the issues in Somalia are hammered down I think the future Somaliland relationship becomes much harder on everyone to resolve. It is the right opportunity for re-engagement right now.
Mohamed A.
I hate to disappoint you but it seems you're an idealistic individual the corruption has gained deep roots in very segment of Somali's society and it won't an easy task to uproot it.
Somalilanders worked so hard to achieve what they have achieved over the last 21 yrs. they are not willing to jeopardize it with false dreams. Somalis should focus on their current internal problems then engage their sisterly loved Somalilanders at a peaceful climate to discuss on their future. Negotiating in a hostile environment usually results violent outcome.
Osman Qaal
Author is dead wrong. !!!
I am writing from Turkey.
We helped our Muslim Brothers.Helped,helping and going to help.
Don't mistake Turkish people with any other.Millions of people send money,food whatever they found at last drought,even some people sold their cars only to help our muslim borthers.ONLY TO HELP BECAUSE WE ARE ALL BROTHERS.DON'T FORGET THIS…
I havent been in Somalia but i want to be there.
Hope to see you all
Kemal
No need stay home and take care of the problems in your backyard, Kurdistan, that is if you are the Muslim you claim to be.
As my Somaliland friend, Dhugtane, said, put your house in order first before you worry about Somalia!
Turkey's help is greatly appreciated. I say this to you as a Western based Somali, the greatest help is to stay out and encourage your government to help. Somalia I fear is not safe for those risk averse for the next decade. Also we greatly help by sending money, books, and equipment from abroad.
kemal.
your dead right,This person who wrote This upside down artical must be smoking some Thing or have full hate.
The Truth always hurts . Very well written article with deep political analysis. Turkey is trying to establish Othman empire in Islamic style under humanitarian umberala. Turkey sees herself and want to be domainen power not only in Midle East but Afrika. I advise Mr Erdogan should give answers to Kurdish people first before extending his dirty political aboard.!
Thanks to writter of this article and congratulating you standing for your country.
Mohamed A,
Our grandfathers envisioned a greater Somalia without carefully studying Somalis interesting political cultures and they failed as a result. It' isn't healthy to live in the past. History is better as one learns a lesson from it so the same mistakes won't be repeated again..
Osman Qaal
The only lesson learned is Clans and Dictators don't mix well. Also a fragile Democracy was thrown by the wayside because of it. They didn't fail, we Somali's failed it. By allowing corruption, nepotism, and dictatorship replace what they envisioned. We didn't have that same vision as them to see what was worth protecting and we continue to fail it by not still fighting for it.
Osman5,
The great idea of Somaliiweyn was born in Somaliland and I tell you for fact that Somaliweyn (Greater Somalia) was possible if Somaliland would have assumed the leadership in 1960. Somaliland was the head, brain, intellectual, educated with democratic mind and the first independent Somali state and Hargeisa was the first Somali city in which the flag was hoisted and should have been the centre and the headquarter of Somalis. Cooking was the only good thing adopted by the southerners. S.N.M tried to bring this democracy in Somalia but things got very ugly and after Barre another southern group appointed themselves as leaders. So we came into conclusion that we stay alone and divorce the marriage.
Amal,
Thanks for enlightened me again walaalo, as usual. The modern Somaliland history teaches us that our grandfathers made a huge mistake in which we had discovered it after 31 yrs. It always catches me by surprise though as I tried to get my head around it for so many occasions with no meaningful results where a Somali individual or group raises a possibility of reunification between Somaliland and Somalia. My initial reaction always is, that's an insult to the injury.
As my anger, however, slowly subsides, then I raise the a question, what did we owe so we should give you back? it seems that all Somalis are so obsessed to false dreams of hoping Somaliland will turn around one day and give them a hug like 2 old friends who unexpectedly run into each other at a high school reunion gathering. I guess, a leopard never changes it's spots, let them keep walling, that's we can do at this point.
Osman Qaal
Osman,
They are dreaming if they think they can force an entire nation into union against their will. Somaliland will exist so long as its people wants it xooq majiro
The pirate boy logic is : what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine. He is saying Dulbahante don’t exist and WarSangely don’t exist. It is all mine….mine …mine I tell you. OOow I forgot Kismaayo,Gaalkacayo,Mudug, Mogdisho and may be the entire ex-Somalia.
aari ninku Dhiirrana.
I pity the Turks. Everywhere they go hate follows them. This article is good example of that. What's this writer's motive for such an insolent, hateful article? He is either an idiot or he was doing pretty good before Turks came in.
The Author is usually a truly outstanding figure but I just I can't figure out his motives on this article?
Cheers.
What is the author smoking? I did not get it, what does he wants to say? Turkiye is helping because of the hope of gas? We are buying our gas from Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran. The Iraqi Kurds are burning to sell us gas, just as our brothers from Misr (Egypt). The name of the author is Islamic but he sounds like the Jews who are whining because of our help to Gaza and Filistin.
Our energy gap in the future will be filled with nuclear energy, we will have 4 new nuclear stations in the next 10 years. So what should we do with any natural gas lying in Somalia or anywhere else? If we ever should need a base, we can easily count on Oman or Pakistan, with which we have brotherly relations. So what is your problem?
Look, author: Nobody in Turkiye has any knowledge about your internal problems. We helped, because there was need for help, people were starving. We helped Ireland in 1850 as they were starving and brothers helped us while we were fighting in 1910th against France, England, ANZAC, Italian Russian and Armenian troops… This is how you survive in the long run. If we are not wanted in Somalia, no problem, we are out as fast as we were in.
Our biggest joy today is our national team who beats ronaldos portugal 3:1 and politically if we should join the EU or not. I guess only a few thousand people in Turkiye knows that there was a conference about Somalia in Istanbul. At the same time we have the Alliance of Civilisations, the World Eco Forum and the Turkish Olympics, where 1500 pupils from 135 countries are racing to show their best turkish singing…
So no one is seriously making any plans about “colonializing” Somalia, what a BS.
Ignore the author he is blaming the wrong people. He feels his little Somaliland dream is sliding away because Turkiye is helping Somalia recover. If Somalia recovers, Somaliland has no reason to run away.
hey turkiye no one asked to be here and help. You came on your own. We survived when you were not here and we will survive when you go. Don’t act like holier than thou. you can leave and take your raciest attitude with you for all we care. And to those ass kisser, don’t lower yourselves that way be proud of who you are. Alla gives and help not a stinking short truk.
In 1910 Turkey commited genocide against Armenia, Turkey is still enslaving and holding against their will ten of millions of Kurdish people who want to be indipendent. In 1974 Turkey invadade Cyprus occupied the Nothern part of Cyprus, commited genocide and ethnically cleansed the Greek Cypriot people from Nothern Cyprus. Turkey was used by Uncle Sam to supply weapons to Lybians fighters against Gaddafi. Even at this particular moment turkish are in Syria helping militias fighting against Assad regime. Turkish is a puppet nation in the service of Uncle Sam. There is a great geo-political chase game going on in the middle east and the entire muslim world. And Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are deeply involved in the service of America's geo-political war of conquest. Dont be fooled with Turkish newly found benevelence towards Somalia. The bottomline is Turkish is country whose history is mired by atrocities, genocide and bloodletting, it is country aligned with America's empireal war of conquest.
Turkiye
Why dont you first tell your government to stop killing Kurdish people and let them have freedom of using their language publicly.
Kemal,
I want to let you know that this website is frequented by regional separatists and individuals from neighbouring countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia. Many of the commenters and some of the folks who submit articles to be published here are staunch supporters of secessionist agenda in northern Somalia. Although most of our people from northern Somalia are the best and brightest of Somali people, the individuals who are writing articles like this one or posting nasty comments here do not represent our people and our sympathies. In fact many of them are from the aforementioned countries and they always incite hatred among Somali people. They hurl insults at anyone who extends a helping hand to our people at this time of our greatest need.
Kemal, understand that most Somalis do greatly appreciate the helping hand extended by the Turkish government and its people to Somalia. We will not forget the heroic gesture of the Prime Minster Erdogan and the risk he took with his life, that of his family and the huge entourage of government officials that flew in to the midst of Mogadishu under fire. We will never forget our Turkish brothers who were feeding our starving children and their mothers in the height of the famine last year when everyone else in the world had written off Somalia and its noble people as a failed state. Your country has done the right thing for coming to the aid of their sisterly country of Somalia and its people. Please go back to Mogadishu. Please do not give heed to the comments of these hatemongers. And please do continue with your noble work. The Somali people welcomes you, your government and your people to their country and to their hearts. The respect and love of Somali people toward their brothers in Turkey is attested by the number of Somali new born that are being given Turkish names in Mogadishu today. A friend in need is a friend indeed. And for Somalia, Turkey is a good friend indeed.
I enjoy this straight forward wonderful piece.
Cheers.
Most of the laws we apply today came to light through common sense and logic. If you have thought about these magnificent ideas of eradicating corruption, finding a solution for the uncontested religion ideologies in the society and the favoritism in our political systems by legislating them into law, would it be better if they implemented in Somalia first?
As your dream world works for you then Somaliland wouldn't have any issues of adapting it thus Somaliland and Somalia would be living as 2 sisterly loved nations side by side.
Osman Qaal
My second comment here. I wondered at first why this writer would write such a childish article insulting Turks. If he is the same MD Yusuf Dirir Ali in California, doesn't that speak volumes as to his motives and
cohorts? Wow, Turks have a curse upon them with these Greek-Armenian Hate group and this guy is their
whore.
Because these people are not heartless or doing well on people dieing. I mean look at the world we are wEeeey behind and still talking, and I guess nobody will reconize somaliland.
The title of the website says all. This website is for Somalilanders, but then again, Somaliland haters come here to discredited and undermine Somaliland's peace, stability, development, and progress out of envy. We don't represent people from Somalia and we never said we do. They don't represent us of have juridiction over Somaliland. It is sad though that they can't manage themselves because they are missing an arm and leg becasue Somaliland chose to revert to its Statehood. So, they have to insult, wail, and crying over spilt milk.
If the Turkish wants to help them so be it. But the Turkish Government has to learn that Somaliland and Somalia are completely two different countries.
you just talking to yourself something does not exist two country & so forth.i suggest you go back to haud bush land drink more camel milk may be your brian cells will recover cuz at The moment your in a bad shape.
zakariya, actually, aday wax xun kula tahay, because of your inferior complex. I am from Haud and proud to be from Haud. I am going there in couple of months from now and I am going to just do that, drink caano geel, d*m*y! What kind of civilization are you claiming?
what a shame , you resort to abusing Turks because they recognized one Somalia . Turks are great people and Somalis all over the world are grateful for their gesture & help . if you have an issue you dont address it through insults . i,m Somali although i dont hail from somalia or somaliland i find your behaviour disgusting and animalistic .
Yusuf is generally an educated and a man who states his view without letting emotions get on his way. In this case he knows the Garadagland fairytale story is gone thanks to his uncle Siraanyo who killed Somaliland same way he killed SNM when he was the chairman. He is weak and tribalist.
Please dont blame it Turkey blame Silaanyo and his clanist views. He destroyed everything for all Somalilanders.
Turkey is only helping Somalia including Somaliland.
waryaa … naacda meesha kala taga
Turkiga aad rabtaan kaxaysta. We are not interested in their meddling in our affairs. If they are helping and that is their intention then they should stick to that. but,keep them away from our business and politics. All of you ass kissers shame on you. A Somali is supposed to be a proud human. your behavior is prove enough for me why Somaliland is giving you the boot.
Meddling in your affairs? Somaliland doesnt exist my friend, and you know it. United Somalia should exist, you Somalis should fight for more of your rights, and not for less..
Here comes walaweyn who will just pretend to be anybody and imposter anybody out of desperation. Look, Somaliland has gone long time ago, the divorce is final and sadly the marriage is irretrievable. Get real and stop crying over spilt milk.
I don't understand how can turks help people in Somalia when they kill and discriminate against the kurds who are within Turkey?! Didn't turkey just recently kill some 30 kurds under the disguise of killing seperatists and it turned out they were counterbanding tobacco to make a living in a deprived country. I think turks humanitarianism should be implimented inside the country, so it be trusted next time it claims to save others in need outside turkey.
Well said brother, this shows how Turkey is a two faced hypocrite. Turkey is killing its own citizen who want to determine their affairs themselves. Krdish people are killed everyday for wanting to be free from Turkey they are even not allowed to speak their own language. On the other hand, Turkey is destabalizing Syria helping militia who want to overthrow a legitamate government in the name of democracy, what a hypocracy?
Turkey is doing a wonderful job in Somalia. Somalilanders shouldn't be jealous about what Turkey
is doing in Somalia. The Somaliland case is strong and in good position of their choice and making.
Neither Somalia proper nor the Turkish Govt would have the legit authorities to dissuade from or deter
the Somaliland just causes for a seperate de jure fully recognized Sovereignty among the UN World
body. Let's trust what the Somaliland Govt in power is doing for the aspirations of their people.
Cheers.
Where is the proof of this so called ill fated colonialism? Alhamdulilah this is the first in ages (literally) I have seen Somalia making progress. Turkey is a muslim country, and should be thanked for helping hundreds of thousands of Somalis in southern Somalia currently and in the past eight months during the drought.
Now, after so many years, so much western interference which was rightfully deflected by Somalis, Turkey turns around and sees Somalia could so easily change that they may aswell help, using chump change in terms of the wealth of Turkey.. and Somalis REJECT their help? The only thing which justifies your rejection of their good faith is that Somaliland isn't being recognised as a separate state, which it isn't quite frankly.
Lastly, Turkey is a heavyweight in the region of southern europe, it quite literally has nothing to gain from Somalia other than special relation with a strategic placed and once powerful country who was once a part of the Ottoman empire. I know for sure people in Somalia support Turkey, and god willing there will be no uprising; if you went to Mogadishu, you would see that Turkey's help is welcomed.
Somalia has so much to get back to, and inshallah with the help of fellow muslims we will..
What concerns Somali intellectuals is not the Turkish assistance, but the condescending way it treats Somalis by following the way of the corrupt TFG and taking hundreds of illiterates to Istanbul in order to impress them by calling them Somalia's civil societies.
Turkey could have done better job by coming to Mogadishu and inviting the real civil societies of Somalia to hold their meeting there instead of transporting these illiterate people to Turkey.
Somaliland sovereignty is non-issue here, because neither Turkey or any other country can force the people of Somaliland to reunite with Somalia. That was tried fifty years ago and did not work for either of us. The people of Somaliland have made their decision 21 years ago and there will be no U-turn on that. Turkey can say what ever it wants, but the people of Somaliland have the memory of an elephant and I guarantee a negative attitude from Turkey will never fade away from the memories of Somalilanders at least centuries.
Mallick, the point is that some people from Somalia with phantom-limb mentality are still delusionally clinging to the idea that Somaliland come back to the union. Somaliland has reverted to its previous Statehood 21 years ago. And out of desperation Somalia think whenever a conference like the one held in Turkey happens that Somaliland will be forced back into the union. They were chasing this mirage of Some thing call Somaliland for 21 years now to no avail. And because they are so obsessed with this re-union to a point annoyance, they can't see the reality on the ground.
Somaliland is happy for them that the Turkish government is helping them and trying to bring their different faction groups closer together in order to build their country fron the rubbles. All that is irrelevant to them because because they missing an arm and leg called Somaliland. We know that they are mediocres who can't function properly without Somaliland and it shows because Somalilanders were super intellectuals, highly educated, and the were the brain behind what was called the Republic of Somalia which does no longer exist
I understand where you are coming from, however, 'Somaliland' 'Declared Independence' nearly 20 years ago also, while Somalia has been in disarray for the same length of time. When Somalia moves on, which it eventually will, very soon inshallah, where will Somaliland stand with the new generation of Somalis which lead it in the future?
I highly doubt Somaliland will achieve recognition anytime soon, and your waiting for it from the west – who whether you like it or not can never justify their evil ways.
What happened in Hargeisa and north Somalia during Barre's regime isn't what Somalis support – I don't think one Somali approves. Also, don't get me started on these borders created by the colonisers, surely we Somalis are our own people, one culture, religion and tongue; we can choose our own fate..
Somaliland has made progress but it isn't really 20 years worth, isn't federalism the best route from now on..?
My opinion – let me know your counter-argument, I really would like to know…
First things first. Somaliland and Somalia were two de jure Sovereignty post Independence.
Then the two voluntarily without binding obligations merged into a Union of their making.
The Union malfunctioned through unconstitutional bad Civic governance and military kelptomanic
brutal dictatorial rules which caused civil rivalry disorders and untold misery of genocid wars
which ended in 1991 collapse of the Military Regime. Ever since 1991 to 2012 current , Somaliland
became a govt of their own de jure post oringinal status quo and was unable to find a similar
representative govts to talk to due to the chaotic status quo in Somalia. Somaliland for the past 21
years have seen elected 4 presidents and their civil societies Govts. Somalia is in mayhem.
How is it possible for Somaliland to become integral part of Somalia and a not reunion but a united Somalia
is possible. Mallick forget your irrelevant and irresponsible arguments.Besides Somaliland has many
key govts friends and not only Turkey if Turkey doesn't do the right things between Somaliland and
Somalia issues.
Cheers.
Where are your so called 'key govt friends' ? Silaanyo is not doing much to help the situation right now, even Ethiopia are dealing with Somaliland at an arms length.
Lastly, my argument is far from irrelevant, you could say its at the epicentre of the reasons why Somaliland isn't getting recognised.
Cheers?
Mallick
Somaliland had determined to remain as a separate entity regardless of it's status on the world stage for 21 yrs. ago. and it wishes to stay way for many decades to come.
However, Somalilanders would be glad to lend a helping hand for their brothers and sisters in Somalia when, if they able to manage their own internal problems, for the time being we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
Osman Qaal
Mallick, "… What happened in Hargeisa and north Somalia during Barre's regime isn't what Somalis support – I don't think one Somali approves …" This is where you people are wrong. Not only non-Is**q Somalis support the genocideand championed behind it, but they are denying ever happened and rubbing it on our noses. Recognition or not, Somaliland will stand on its ground, in standing alone as a sovereign ntaion and nobody can do anything about. Good luck with your federalism and move on.
Ok. After reviewing your argument I have come to the conclusion that your a clan orientated person. Nothing I say will change your mind or even make you see my point.
Thanks
The truth always hurls as you received it by surprise but it will eventually set you free if you face it with guts..
Osman Qaal
From the beginning of the ill-fated union walaweyn considered Somalilanders a threat because Somalilanders were better educated, more sophisticated, intellectually superior and from early on they looked at Somalilanders with envy and an ire eye. Although, Somalilanders were better educated, they took all the key positions in the government, they were mediocres poor managing the functions of the government in comparison to what Somalilanders could do.
Despite the disparity Somalilanders didn't jump to pick the guns and tolerated the situation for 22 years before the arbitrary rule of a dictatorship showed its horns. Walaweyn got bolder trying to control and subdue Somalilanders. And not only that, but they tried to eliminated the most dominant clan which is the majority in Somaliland from the face of the earth. To be contined ….
… contunation Rape, summary executions, mass arrests, poisoning the water storages, freezing their money, destroying their businesses, and setting up plans that were mentioned in the "letter of Death" initiated by the coward Morgan and approved by his master Siyaad Barre. They declared an all out war with the aid of the African mercenaries against the prominent clan in the north. Somaliland was attacked from both the air and ground and all major cities were leveled to the ground. That was the last straw that broke the camel's back. Somalilanders said enough is enough and we are not going to take this any longer. Somalilanders picked the guns, fought hard and brave until they brought the most powerful Military in the horn of Africa to its knees, humiliated them and let them kiss the dust. After the blood bath and ten of thousands of civilian death and total destruction of our cities, Somaliland withdrew from the union and reverted to its former Statehood to stand alone. Then Somalilanders got up, dusted themselves, tied their bellies, resurrected like a phoenix from the ashes and started a nation building for the last 21 years. We are now the envy of Africans. To be continued ….
… continuation As soon as Somaliland left Somalia was integrated chaos and lawless and into warring different faction groups of religious fanatics, mullahs, sheikhdom, warlords, and terrorists. As the saying goes: you reap what you sow! So, they can't fathom that the country destroyed is actually now a shining star on the world stage. Too hard to swallow. Does anybody in there right mind would recommend Somaliland to re-unite with Somalia? The answer is no way.
Is this the same Yusuf Diri Ali, MD in California? No medical doctor would use such language. The article repeatedly refers to to Turks as "Turkeys". Aside from being totally unprofessional and unethical, the article reeks of anti-Turkish bias. Does anyone out there know the identity of his secretary or who may have Dirir Ali's confidence to alter his article? The administrator should have caught this and sent it back to Dirir Ali for corrections. Neither administrator nor readers should accept such language and everybody should expose the rats from where they hide.
@ Dorin
If you do not like to be called Turkeys then stop calling Somaliland part of Somalia. I know you are a Waloweyn in impersonator!
My conclusion on this subject is : We as Somalilanders are in control of our country. And that is how it’s going to be with the help of Allah. Now, you can cry all you want or park all you want or make all sorts of silly claims and allegations. Somaliland will not be part of Somalia. That is the fact on the ground whether you like or not.
i would like to mention one thing, just compare what hapened in hargaysa that they celebrated 21st anniversary wen miles zinawi took the leader ship, you guys are quite happy, but the humantarian assistant , education, and also political back up from turkey is new clony? i mean what is that supposed to tell me? am i the only somali? are you ethiopian? be honest to yourself… besides their peaceful neighbouringhood, what else ethiopians did for somaliland? they never helped you in schooling, in economy, in recognition, and in anything, turkey came the ryt time for somalis, the ryt time wen every1 else turn their back.. the time when millions were about to die just for a drop of water!! for god sake be honest to self and stop this obsesseion self determined somaliland, and lets rebuild, reconstruct, re-union, forgive and live a happy ever lasting life. LETS BE AS ONE NATION SOMALIA….
@ Mohamed
You are one of those naive guys from Somalia, stop bad-mouthing Somaliland and concentrate on your multiple problems. You guys are just sitting on your butts doing nothing for yourself and expect everyone to come to your aide. At times you say Somaliland doesn't exist, others you tell us that we can not exist because we can not feed ourselves and finally you are telling us that you need our help. You guys need to listen to yourselves.
Mogadishu was sold to Saeed Barkash and again to the Italians for few gold coins and I wouldn't be surprised if I see you selling it once more to the Turks. I forget to mention that the Island of Sucaitra near Puntland was sold in discount price to the British by one of the Majeerteen Sultans and is part of Yemen now.
Somaliland was receiving propaganda punches from for too long, that is over my friends, get ready for our knock-down, because that is what you understand better than anything else.
there is a game… between us with turkey and the east african countries, mainly ethiopia, they want that somalia stay like this condition or even worse… somalis want to have a strong goverment, turks is here to help somalia to have that while ethiopians are trying to oppose.. i know somaliland people are smart enough to get that, so here is my question… after all that what hapened in the past 21 years… wich side that somaliland is better to take? with their brothers that they share everything except tribe names? or with ethiopians who are always the enemy of somali race.? leave behind any EGO if you are a real somalilander.. coz no one can have ego while his people are starving!
Every action creates a reaction. You might think a humanitarian act would create good reaction, especially from those who stand to benefit from it but judging these comments here, it's hard to think kindly of these people. Let's hope Turks do not get disgusted and abandon their noble effort.
dorian,
Most of these comments are from regional separatists and from gangs from neighbouring countries; Kenya and Ethipia. These people want to stoke the fire that is ragin in Somalia forever. Please ignore them and do never engage them. They are desperate people who will lash out at anyone who comes to the aid of Somali people.
Allemegan,
Desprate is the one running from country to country to get a handout. Turkey is the latest victim of this extortionists in Somalia. The world could not account for billions given as a charity to the TFG and most of the peopleare commenting on this site are disgusted with the Somalia's begging attitude. I am sure they will bite the hands of the the Turks very soon, that is how they thank the hands that feeds them, ask Somalilanders about the immorality of the people in Somalia.
Mallick,
If your last comment was for Gobaad it's unprofessional also unethical on your part to label your opponent as a clan oriented person as you realized you might lose debate.
Gobaad is a very fair and articulate debater, I've read her comments for many many times on here. You've initiated a debate with her because you're a newbie on this forum.
Osman Qaal
Allemagan, I appreciate your response but look at what my engagement did. The article is cleaned up of the childish inference of calling Turks, Turkeys. You are correct that there are so many factions hateful of each other. Turkish successes in aid certainly hurts these parasites, I suppose they'll stoop to any language. By the way, where are these so called moral champions of Europe and the West for Somali sufferers. Once Turks make it safe, i suppose they'll come in and try to claim the credit.
I have no idea how I got this far reading the article in a turkish news paper but I cannot believe all the fuss .
I am a turkish born Proud Australian and was one of the individuals donated quiete a bit when i seen the turkish news of wife of the prime minister Emine Erdogan trying to feed a dying kid during that daring jurney.
That was the time when my heart sunk and I did my bit.
Do you people really think that millions of turks around the world watching the turkish news had other ideas when we seen that little kid dying in mothers arms
You make me sick
People like that dr which I will not mention his name needs to look at a mirror to see the damage he is causing to people like myself and many others
His comments are insults to anyones intelligence and will not deter lots of good people from different backgrounds helping the mankind in need of help whether Christian or muslim or a jew
VeyselSelvi
Melbourne
I will start by saying echeck millet Turk mliiet….you are wrong, you talking about a couple of Turks what about the 1.5 millions Armenians you guy killed about 100 years ago. No country reaches out a hand and not except nothing in return, all you guys did is take advantage on us when we needed help Turks reached out a hand and Somali ppl were blind at the moment to see , you guys used the Muslim card by saying we are brothers , Muslim when we see a brother down he will help haha. i hope each Turk that is Somalia will pay the price with their live, yes Somalia was different tribes but in war we reuinate and become one like always!!! LIKE BLACK HAWK DOWN… at the end of this story their will be many TURKS DOWN!!!!
I wish my brothers in sl walk up to reality sooner than later. Im from sl born and raised but ihate to see this backward mentality that the world one day will recognize poor isolated state called somaliland. This dream is now becoming anightmare that would only effects sl ppl nobody else. I hope the best for my ppl but this idea we r seperate state has over lived its pupose which was to unify the fightings clas after siad bare got toppeled.
common sense, keep your common sense to yourself!
If that's your input with common sense I wonder what you sound like without common sense..
Osman Qaal
there is a game… between us with turkey and the east african countries, mainly ethiopia, they want that somalia stay like this condition or even worse… somalis want to have a strong goverment, turks is here to help somalia to have that while ethiopians are trying to oppose.. i know somaliland people are smart enough to get that, so here is my question… after all that what hapened in the past 21 years… wich side that somaliland is better to take? with their brothers that they share everything except tribe names? or with ethiopians who are always the enemy of somali race.? leave behind any EGO if you are a real somalilander.. coz no one can have ego while his people are starving!
As a Somaliander I don't really give a rat's as@ who colonizes Somalia, They're dumb enough to surrender their Somali pride to foreigners anyway…
Osman Qaal
When the famine struck Somalia, Somaliland helped by collecting its share from its citizens and timely dellivered to the needy Somalia. If thankfull to Turkey why can't you even acknowledge the fact that Somaliland helped and unlike the Turks was hosting your displaced refugees more than 20 yrs? Somaliland is not Somalia simply becouse Somaliland has a government and doesn't ask the world to build, defend and assist its failed state.
I am Turkish with friends from Somali. I can say that most of us don't know about Somaliland issue. When we say Somali, we mean whatever territory in the Republic of Somali. I'm disappointed about the comments on Turks. Giybah (back-biting) is forbidden in Islam as well as iftira (false-allegations). I keep my faith in Allah. Generally speaking, no hayr (good) will come from fractionation. We have to keep strong connection as ummah.
Dear Yusuf, thank you for your devil comments on Turks which show how Turks are right to be in Somalia which is the country of honor. A united somalia is inevitable. Turks will not do that. Somalian people would do that in a very near future. BUT NOT YOU!!. You try to protect some locals' privilages and Britons. I would strongly doubt about your MD if you are not in Somalia. what a pitty!!!
I don't see a somaliland
all i see is a ISAAQ TRB
I will start by saying echeck millet Turk mliiet….you are wrong, you talking about a couple of Turks what about the 1.5 millions Armenians Turks killed about 100 years ago. No country reaches out a hand and not except nothing in return, all you guys did is take advantage on us when we needed help Turks reached out a hand and Somali ppl were blind at the moment to see , you guys used the Muslim card by saying we are brothers , Muslim when we see a brother down he will help haha. i hope each Turk that is Somalia will pay the price with their live, yes Somalia was different tribes but in war we reuinate and become one like always!!! LIKE BLACK HAWK DOWN… at the end of this story their will be many TURKS DOWN!!!!