August 17, 2012 · 85 Comments
MOGADISHU — Somalia’s political transition process has received a shot in the arm after the Technical Selection Committee (TSC) approved more than 70 percent of Members of Parliament.
An arbitration committee, representing the country’s four major clans and a fifth, an alliance of minority clans, are entrusted with the task of nominating 275 legislators. They will name them based on a tribal power-sharing system known as 4.5 formula.
A Technical Selection Committee (TSC) then performs background checks on the potential legislators to help build public trust in them. The checks include their connection and involvement in the Somali civil war; any warlord or known human right offender is automatically blocked.
The TSC has so far rejected more than 60 nominated potential lawmakers due to their connection or role in the two decade war.
In total 202 legislators have been proved representing Somalia’s 4.5 parliamentary seat-sharing system. They include 23 legislators from the fifth alliance clans, 49 from Digil and Mirifle, 40 Darod MPs, 37 lawmakers for Hawiye clan and the Dir clan including the northern dominant Isaaq got 52.
Those representing the Isaaq clan include former members of Somaliland’s current administration.
The remaining 73 are being disputed and the arbitrary committee is trying to resolve it. Seasoned politicians in Somalia say the current dispute will further delay the process thus meeting the August 20 deadline was highly unlikely.
Despite interference from the TFG and the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, Somalia is set enter a new phase including the election of a president, speaker and two deputies.
The elections will not be open to the public instead the next leaders will be made by the country’s king-makers– the 275 MPs and 135 member arbitrary committee. Currently more than 50 presidential hopefuls stand for the country’s top job.
They include journalists, educators, high-school dropouts to seasoned politicians, business tycoons and women.
The main contenders are a tipped to be the current leaders; the President, Prime Minister Abdiweli Mohamed Ali and Speaker of parliament Sharif Hassan Sheikh Aden.
The incumbent President Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, who enjoys wide support of Somalia’s various clans is expected to retain his seat.
Dir members:
113. Amina Omar Jama
114. Abdulahi Hussein Ali
115. Abdulahi Cisman Duale
116. Abdulahi Abyan Nuur
117. Abdulahi Omar Abshir omar
118. Ahmed Dhimbil Roble
119. Ahmed Aden Ahmed
120. Ahmed Aden Abdirahman
121. Busharo Abdi Diriye
122. Abdilahi Oman Duale
123. Abdalle Xaaji Ali Ahmed
124. Abdinasir Garane Mohamed
125. Abdiqadir Sh. Ali Ibrahim
126. Abdiqafar Mohamed Omar
127. Abdirahman Mahamud Aateye
128. Abdisaq Dahir Mohamud
129. Abdihakim Isse Guled
130. Ashakoos Mahamud Omar
131. Abdalle Boss Ahmed
132. Abdi Hashi Abdilahi
133. Abdirahman Ahmed Suge
134. Abdullahi Qayad Barre
135. Adar Abdi Warsame Isaaq
136. Ali Hassan Guyow
137. Osman Elmi Boqare
138. Dr Said Mohamed Ali
139. Dr. Ibrahim Suleiman Haji Nuur
140. Duniya Mohamed Ali
141. Faduma Hassan Ali
142. Faduma Odowa Rageh
143. Faisal Omar Guled
144. Gen Said Hassan Geedi
145. Ismail Hassan Jama
146. Jamal Hassan Ismail
147. Khadar Bihi Aalin
148. Khadra Ahmed Ibrahim
149. Mahad Abdalle Awad
150. Mahad Mohamed Duale
151. Mohamed Ahmed Gurhan
152. Mohamed Abdilahi Kamil
153. Mohamed Abdi Hayir
154. Mohamed Ali Hagaa
155. Mohamed Hassan Aden
156. Prof Ahmed Ismail Samatar
157. Ridwan Hirsi Mohamed
158. Sahra Abdiqadir Abdirahman
159. Saynab Maxamed Aamir
160. Hiis Hassan Adan
161. Hiis Muse Awl Ali
162. Husein Arab Esse Hayd
163. Husein Abdisalaan
164. Yusuf Dirir Abdi
165. Zakariye Husein Aare
Somalilandpress
August 17, 2012
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Can I get a breakdown of the 52 Dir MPs by subclan? E.g. How many are Issa, Gadabursi, Isaaq, Biyomal, Gadsan, Akisho, Gurgur, etc? This is more of addressing curiosity than being tribal, honestly.
Sam@roon = 10
Garh@jis = 10
HJ = 6
HA = 6
Arab = 4
Gurgur not sure
Biyomal, Gadsan, Akisho = never heard of them
Issa got 9 seats.
The correct list:
Garhajis = 10
HA = 6
HJ = 6
Arab = 5
Toljecle = 1
Sam*roon = 8
Issa = 9
i can tell you most of the Dir are Issaq , Gadabursi , Surre. Issa Biyomal, Gadsan and Akisho
Man I don't even now which clans you are talking about. What is Gadsan Akisho Gugur?where do they live?
Jabuutawi,
I didn't know Gurgura are Dir. I thought they were Oromo. I have good friends from Diredawa who are Gurgura who speak fluent Somali with some accent/Oromish…
I know Gadsan they live with us and Ogadens in Somali West aka Somali Galbeed and Akisho live in Awdal/Gabiley regions to Somali galbeed…
Biyomal live in southern Somalia in particular Marka…
The reason Dir got 52 already is because their hands are clean from the civil war, they did not get a single MP rejected unlike the Darood and Hawiye clans, who played the biggest role in the distraction of Somalia.
Marehans and Dhulos both have issues with their list because they got so many groups each selecting individuals so there is big disagreement, for example Dhulo elders have a list while Khaatumos got one and SSC got another…the committee so far rejected khaatumo list.
Gurgura are Dir, can't believe u didn't know. their tribe name cracks me up thoe sounds like soo Gur guuro.
and for the Dhulba-hante Faroole who thinks he is the long lost child of Hitler had another list for them but Garad Jama is head of traditional elders and Conflict Resolution Committee and all sorted now.
soo Gur guuro lool Gurgures are reer waqooye dir aka madax wayne dir and many of them are Hargaysaswis. I got many gurgure cousins/relatives because we inter-married them a lot but I'm full isaaq. Gurgures live all over Somali galbeed and Somaliland. What I don't know is the rahanwayn clan I hear them but don't see any and I heard they are divided into two main clans called sagaal (9) iyo sideed (8) lool which cracks me up
I am still didn’t get “dir” what it’s ? all i know is DONBIRA.
Habsade Donbira's from Dir clan
Is it Dhulma-hante or Dhulba-hante? We know the ancient Somalis had problems in pronouncing of certain characters, specially the character (M) when it is in the middle or at the end of a word and they replaced that character M with character B. The following short are good examples:
Saleban = Suleiman, Ibran = Imran, Ibrahin = Ibrahim etc.
So, the original and correct pronunciation of Dhulba-hante is Dhulma-hante. Take this lesson as a hoe work.
The above comment is for Khaatumo Citizen and this is a homework.
hahahaha Geedi it's Dhulba-hante, but Dhulma-hante sounds nice too, the proper tribe name is Saeed Harti, Harti had 12 boys and Dhulos was the youngest and his favourite. so when Dhulos was born his mom shouted ''DHULBA-HANTE DHALAY OO DHUL DURUG OO CIR DURUG'' that's how they got nickname, …
Mj = Mahammed Harti
Waroos = Mahmoud Harti
Dhulos = Saeed Harti
other 9 are minor tribes.
I think women should allow to make thier own tribe too.
@Amal true they live everywhere but thier main city is Diredawa.. loooool @Sagaal iyo Sideed, you having a laugh, at least they don't have to worry about sub-division clans, I have never met them either I always thought Rahanwayn and Hawiyee were same until recently.. who are the Hamar Cad Cad then??
Geedi nacas, ma hooyadii baa dhulmahante noo baxisay dee, we basically live 4 regions in north Somalia ( Sool,Sanaag, Nugaal and Togdheer) kilil5 and kismayo districts, anaka ma iid@@r baad na mooday oo two regions Somalia oo dhan ka dega.
khaatumo yes diredawa is their head quarter. Sagaal iyo Sideed and their sub-division is probably 1 2 3 4 5 lol I got Hamar Cad Cad friends but I don't know what they are, they are not the same as barawaniis because barawaniis are not real Somalis and they got their own language whilst Cad Cad only speak Somali but their own dialect.
LOL dee all kinds people live in south Biyomal, Caano-maal, Hamar cad cad, Hamar mad-madow and list goes on, but in north we call everyone who has southern accent reer xamar
haha @ hamar mad mado cano maal. They all just xamaries to us lol
ma wax aad ku hadashaad wayday…..bilaacamalnimadu waa waxwalba way kuu gaysaa.
waar miyaad iska xamaalatid intaad ku mashqulayso qabilada somaliyeed. War haloo duceeyo
Most rejected new list They come from haw*ye clan.such as muuse suudi,qanyare,ciman caato,ali yabirow, in total fifteen ex-warlords.
Kayse you got all DIr clans geographical locations correct.
Somalilander, hopefully Kayse answered your question.
Gurgur or Gurgura (too lazy to Google, lol) are Somalis who gave (Dir)a Dawa its name, where DIR spear hit the ground, long before Habashi/Oromo came along. Oromo's want to take over Dira Dawa and push Somalis out. Those pathetic, useless, hapless, good for nothing Oromos! There is fierce contention going on now about the borders between Soomali-Galbeed (K5) and Oromia. You gotta remember they are in the Ethio govt and wield some power when it comes to domestic issues.
When the Amhara came along they named the place "ooraja na Issa na Gurgura" which means the region of Issa and Gurgura, aka Dira Dawa and surrounding areas.
Jabuutawi, you are very knowledgeable. I think you probably from Djibouti by your name.
Somalilander – you don't have to offend any Somali tribe – what have the gurgura's done to you? For you information Gurgura is a knickname for the Dir Tribe known as Madahweyne Dir i.e the oldest Dir. His name was actually Mohammed Dir. The Gurgura are mentioned as being part of Ahmed Gurey's army in the battles against the Ethiopians in the famous book called the Futal Al- Habesh.
If the Gurgura (Mohamed Dir) are not Somali what chance have you got in being Somali as your ancestors married Dir's daughters to give rise to Isaq's children.
The Gurgura are a powerful Somali tribe in Dire Dawa and surrounding areas (Irer, Shinile, Hurso and Harar)
and speak many languages. They comprise half of the Dire Dawa government and after the elections in April 2013 Inshallah they will govern 80% of the Dire Dawa regional government.
If you have an inkling of a brain you will know Dire Dawa is the most important Somali trading city in the Horn Of Africa – hence think twice before insulting the Gurgura Dir.
By the way the Gurgura Dir are present in a substantial quantity in Somaliland. They live in Hargeysa, Sheikh, Berbera, Togwajele, Borama, and Gabile amongst other. They have just elected a Gurgura councillor in Gabile called Mudane Ali Shiine.
Normally the Dir tribes don't often get involved in these types of discussions in forums and leave it to other tribes. Sometimes however you have to respond to ignorant people like Somalilander – who have other agenda's in hand.
Dr Ali
now a days somliland websites are compromising the secessionists idea they are all writing positvely what is going somali why? why they posted only dir clan ? why not other clans like hawiye .
do we supposed to go muqdisho after 20 august and empty our towns?
1. I couldn't find a single person who was a former member of Somaliland's current administration from this list.. Tell me who are they? 2. Everybody knows those hail from Somaliland don't represent anyone since the genuine leaders of Somaliland clans did not take part of that gathering in Mogadishu with the exception of those from Sool/Buhodle who have also problems with their big brother of Puntland and the 9 individuals sent by Ismail Omar Gaileh of Djabuti. We and the IC know well that these people in the list are all self appointed and represent their own personal interest but nothing else. So, let's find other topics to talk about.
Mercenaries. Chasing the donated dollar. Not a single one, with the exception of the "good" professor has any substance at all. Are these folks suppose to come to Somaliland and tell Somalilanders that they somehow represent them!. Not a single one of them lives in Somaliland. Almost all of them are from diaspora or have been in Mogadishu for the last two decades. Good luck to them. Who they represent and what they stand for is unknown and will never be known. I just hope they get some money from their action to help pay their mortgages in the US, Canada and Europe.
Somalidiid is now Somalidoon, Masha'allah this is good news for all somalis, and I'm telling this without you (Dir-Waqooyi) Somalia will never be the same, we need you as much as you need us.
This is why I believe Somali republic is dead and buried. Its built on lies and deceit.
1st they take one of the biggest clans, the issaq and put them under Dir label
2nd they appoint member of that tribe that cannot even step a foot inside Somaliland to be their representatives without even thinking to consult the people.
This is why I am a diehard Somaliland supporter. The southerns are liars ans cheats.
Long live Somaliland.
Although I'm not a fan of Mogadishu and its current affairs but curiosity wise, I wonder why Jabuutaawis always meddle the internal affairs of other Somalis. We know Djibouti was not part of former Somali Republic and we also know they don't intend to be part of it now or in the future and yet they got the lion's share from the so called Somali parliament in Mogadishu, we also know the ruling clan of Djibouti are less than 10% in Awdal region let alone the other parts of Somaliland and Somalia. This is not a jealousy but the facts that anyone can see. They secured 9 PMs out of 59 PMs assigned to Somaliland as a whole and these 9 MPs were sent from Djibouti by IOG. So, is it a fair sharing or is it "HAL LAQALAY RAQDEEDII AYAA LAGU SOO QAMAAMOOW NINBA QURUB HALEELOO …."
Can Jabuutawi explain to us respectfully how he got that lion's share!
Waqooyis got 61 seats but since somalilanders dont want anything to do with somalia, Issa got a large share. where else are the seats supposed to go?
can you blame somalia or Issa for Issa's large share?
Can someone enlighten me here, are digit mirif not Haweeya and if not what are they. I used to consider them haweeyes. Or is it just another trick of getting more sets by dividing themselves into two? Help me out someone. Kkkkkk.
come on mate let’s not jack knive here.haw*ye is haw*ye close to oromo and dig-mirifle is combination of,raxan weyn,alaay,pantu-tuni,barawini,shaanshi,asharaaf,baajun,dhabar weyn,
are you stupid…. since when were rahanweyn hawiye? they are their own clan. they speak af may may, since when do hawiyes speak af maay?
shaka-suulu,ele al-baqar.
Your are not reading my comment well i did not say rahanweyn are are haw*ye They are totaly different.haw*ye is close to oromo and rahanweyn are rahanweyn.
Xaabo iyo Xashiish la isku soo uruuriyay, waar heedhe ku wani bal yay matalayaan.
@odhayaxun
walaal digir & midhifle are not hawiye they are too masakiin to be hawiye i believe the digir & midhifle mps represent the haxanweyn and some other clans in the south i don't know if am wright
i would vote for the Dirs they are NOOOT war criminals
right not wright
misslovely
It is about fair sharing. Samaroons who make up 90% of Awdal population got only 8 MPs. In fact, it was out of curiosity but I don't bother if IOG of Djibouti takes all of them or not.
@Dhukuse
what the hell are you talking about i rather have issa bun ahmed in muqadisho then daarood the issa clan olso own saylac remember
mislovey.
without Dar@@d nothong goes forward…
Gurgura or akisho do not live or have any geographical place in somaliland or Somalia, there location is in Ethiopia, so check u r fact jaboutawi,
As an Isaaq. I find it extremely offensive to be called Dir. I now my history and Lineage and I can say with certainty my forefathers were not Dir. How can someone else tell me what I am-ridiculous. No self respecting Isaq would call himself Dir. Nothing wrong with Dir, they are fine Somali peoples, but of different lineage.
Somali History has many phases, facets, much of which are manipulated and turned upside
down since the Somalis are basically oral language heritages!. However, in post Independence
contemporary since 1960s-onwards…all the 5star Somaliwayn..hereditary and political belongings
have become virtually universal bloc of 2 important chambers..DIR and Darod…just like the
holy Quran(Islam and Muslim)…All extreme Somaliweyn tribal divisions come under the big
Umbrella DIR Darod. Now you sort out who's Dir and who's Darod. Forget everything else?
Cheers.
OK lets say what you say is true. How comes Hawiye, and the others DO NOT come under DIR. But Isqaac a come under DIR.
According to CIA Isqaacs made up 22% of the Population of the Somali republic, Hawiye 25%, Darod 20%,. This was in the 80s.
Isaacs have lived in the most stable part of the Somali republic, thus are mostly likely the majority in terms of population.
So please can you explain to me why are the not their own group?
iga.
your figures are wrong CIA did not publish This statistics.Dar@@d are 24% haw*ye 22% is@@q 18%.The rest are dig-mirifle.if you want to know clan numbers all you need to do is check The land They inhabite.
Is this what Siyad Barre and his Da*od minded liars told you? Talk about people who lived in Somali Republic proper and don't count those Somalis who live beyond the borders because they belong to other countries.
Here we go agian some old caro weelo story said barre & so forth.i am talking about somalis live in somali republic.
what about Hawiyee, Rahanwayn, Midgaan and all the other tribes.. Dir iyo D@rood kulaha.
Khaatumo Citizen
Hawiye,Rahanwayn fall under DIR..Midgaan falls under Saab. 5star Somaliweyn fall
hereditary/political affiliated bloc..Dir and Darod. see my earlier comment. Again 5star
Somaliweyn are Aji and Saab…Dir darod..Aji Saab. The Saab are divided between the
Dir and Darod based on their down-caste hereditary lineage and how they became slavery
in-between DIr Darod.
Cheers.
If you look at the 4.5 its is clear that its says Hawiye and Rahanwayn are not under DIR.
So what are you on about?
Somali people are funny they think they can make stuff from thin air. This isn't the 1960s, We have legions of Somali historians with who see through the made up BS. Stop propagating this BS.
This whole 4.5 thing is based on BS. Just people trying to get political leverage.
Mo Cheers,
Stop misleading people sxb. Dir and Darod claims were made by Siyad Bare and his junta regime. Rahawein are different to Dir, Rahaweins are coalitions of many groups if you didn't know including Isaaq, Darods, etc.
Many years ago when the Arab subclan of Isaaq used to be a powerhouse, Isaaqis ganged up on them and chased some of them, today they are within the Rahawein clan. Same with Warsangeli subclan of the Darod. You can find Warsangelis in Rahawein.
Basically Rahawein means the coalition of small tribes. They even ended up inventing their own secret language to communicate. They used to be constantly under stereotyped…in the south some still diss them calling them "Eelay" even though Eelay are only small tribe within the Digil. Also even though Rahawein are often referred to as "Digil and Mirifle" it is not technically correct because Digil and Rahawein are two different things.
Dir and Hawiye meet at Irir Samale.
The Sab term is nothing but a racial term, it has no foundation other than labeling the outlawed minority groups as "Saab" basically meaning they are "insignificant"…
They group Midgan, Tumal, Gaboye, Digil, Bantu as saab; which is rather a joker!!
How can you say a Gaboye in north Somalia is related to a Bantu from Mozambique/Tanzania?
This is just to racially profile them without getting it right.
Midgan are actually related to Dir and Hawiye…but we erased their history for unknown reason.
Mahamed Cheers huuno you don't know much about Somali tribes Dir,Hawiyee, and Rahanwayne are totally different tribes like Kayse said. and who's the guy buried in Maidh then ''shiekh iss@q''' is funny how Is@@qs claim to be Dir whenever they feel like it
looooool @ Saab and AJi never heard em before, how do u even pronounce 'Aji'.
Not only sh Ishaaq is burried in Maidh but also all his sons and grandsons as well as great grandson around him and in sanaag for example carre Saciid garhajis and his sons isahaaq care Ismail care muse care (HY) etc are all buried in erigavo. some people say isahaq and issa are related because they are both banu Ahmed banu hashim. I think Dir is just for political tag and also isaaq was classed as dir in the book fatuhul habash as maha dir because habar magadle (mother of garhajis HA Arab Ayub) was maha dir besides isaaq has always been in the dir alliance that's why during barre southern dir was helping to shield the isaaqs from massacre and isaaq will always support their dir partners/family. Somali clans are too many to know. ps bad typing is because of bad keyboard
Amal that's what I've been told Dir is just political tag it's rare to see Isaaqs claiming Dir.
both Dar@@d and Harti are also burried in Sanaag finnally my reer abtiyo and adeer have something in common I wonder why isaaqs and Daroods hate each other so much, I mean thier graveyards are even so close and am sure the two old fellas wouldn't want us to fight and hate each other.
Did Said Barre actually try to wipe Isaaqs out or is it just another way to promote division, I mean I was born after civil war and been told so many stories, I don't know which one to believe looool
Which tribe do you hail from boy ?
Somalis are funny and ignorant creatures and they will be like this way forever. They will never figure out who is closer to them and who is not. How can I digest the people who live in Dirawa, Marka and beyond are closer to me than those we share blood, land, peace, war, drought, prosperity and everything else and had been living side by side in same areas for hundreds of years? How I can think about to make alliances with people and regions in very remote places whom we share nothing with the exception of Somalinimo and religion while we consider those we share everything as strangers? This is absolutely beyond imagination and all these BS was created by the dirty politicians due to the ignorance of their people.
I for one, truly believe and consider the people in Burao, Lasanod, Erigavo, Hargeisa, Buhodle, Berbera, Borama and Somaliland in general are the closest people to me. 4.5 idea and similar tactics are all political games designed by few individuals in order to fool people for their gains. Finally, I would say, you poor people grow up and think like the other human beings.
Khatumo citizen,
Walalo Siad Barre was ruthless who was killing anyone that goes against him but sadly isaaq ended up getting the full wrath and military force. I don't remember it either because I was born during the middle of the civil war in the north but my parents who fled the war told me about it and it makes me feel sick whenever I get told what happened. However, that's is just the past and what is important is to move foward and sort out our differences. Somalis went through hardship everywhere wallahi. I don't know why isaaq and darood are always on eachother's throats, they should solve their differences and become buddies. If anyone is related it's the northen people. It was traditional to marry your inabtiyo Iinstead of your inadeero whcih is how dhulos and isaaqs became so mixed, same goes with gadbursi+sacad muse etc Dir is just political tag I believe.
Anyways Eid Mubarak :-)
Amal
walalo I agree with you 100% lets hope our people sort out their differences one day and yh I have been told all about the civil war and it's all mens fault they're the ones doing all the evil deed, Somali women are angels lool
it's true walahi it's men's fault and is usually the women and children who suffer the most, my mum had to flee with two of my older sibling before I was born but both my parents were lucky to escape whilst many didn't including members of close relative. Dictators always end up destroying what they build and people's lives as well as getting destroyed in return. And yes I have to say Somali men are responsible for holding the Somali society back, it's always women working hard and struggling. Not all of them but they need to take more responsibility especially fixing the politics they screwed up.
I know look Syria, Lebanon and other Arab states dictators are basically same. Allah yarha all those innocent civilians, sad wallahi. how can people be so heartless I could never hurt a fly.
If women ruled the world, we would have a lot of drama going on. There would be mood swings and temper tantrums depending on the days month. Things would become feminine; we would have girls night out (who is going to guard the borders?). We would all be hugging each other constantly, talk about insignificant stuff, nothing will get done. Pink colors every where. Everyone would be saying "oh, my gosh" a lot. The world would be a soft place to live. I don't want that for my future boys.
Right now we have a rover in Mars exploring for life. Should they find life up there, I would volunteer to move to Mars if women took over earth. We should just live things the way God intended. Men first, women follow. Why mess with natural order of things?
dhuguse.
You mention people in Burao,lasanod,Erigavo,Hargeisa,Buhodle,Borama and all nothern somalia in general are closest people to me.well,if That is The case why all This looming war between The regions in nothern somalia? The answer is obvious “tribe and ideology differences”.it would be much better if This campaign started ten years ago.
Ofcourse folks in dirawa and marka are far from your neck of The woods but The sometime your survival and Existence in The long run relies on Them also vice versa.
Dheere
I think we have two different scopes because I do believe that we don't have any links whatsoever with the people of these areas other than Somalinimo and muslimnimo while you blindly believe Garbahaarey is much more closer to you than Burao. What Have you said *tribe and ideology differences" I afraid you may not have any clear idea what the tribe is all about. Look brother! I'm over hundred times related to Buhodle/Lasanod areas and vice versa for many centuries, which tribe would you like to call me then, Kukuyo or Boran!
Anyhow, one thing is for sure, relatives will always be relatives whatever difference of opinions they may have. Period.
dhuhuse.
Your not reading my lips mate all somali race are link each other one way or The other.you keep repeating The some comment all over again”i am related folks in lasanod,buhodle”. ofcourse you do but also people in Garbaharey and beyond are somalis have lot of Things in comment.This is what happens when people locked in The past not in The future no wonder why nothern somalia made no any real solid progress.
Well,i do have clear idea and vision what is going on nothern somalia even five year old child knows can figure out.tribe is big issue so The rest of somalia, and ideology some folks want to create fake country from The air and others want to remain greater somalia.
There is no kukuyo & Boran tribes inhabite somali peninsula or maybe your one of Them lost somewhere in somalia.
Ultimate Jaahiliya is to support this. How can anyone claim they represent millions of people just because they have a minor connection is beyond me. Those who try to claim what is already represented by others who have much support by their people? Whilst the latter is not supported or has no barring on these people? It isn't acceptable and it will not be tolerated. Oppressing people choices and human rights by forcing such ignorant way is contrary to what is being advocated here? Those who choose to be part of it will and can be rejected just on mere lack of proof of representation. Simply fraudulent and misappropriation is nothing but a crime. That akin to Alshabab claims of Somalis.
4.5 , 6.4, 7.9 , 6.3 , 3.1 ,4.9 just name anything you want. That kind of sich idea will never work for the Wanlaweyn brothers.
Do´nt get me wrong, I am a Somalilander and i have nothing to do with Mogadisho problems. It would be wise and good for them if they get rid of that undemocratic premitive None existing Mahiga system………….
"Transitional Government" means an inistit. that builds a peaceful future, not one that did nothing except surfing off the back of USA supplied tanks and Ugandan soldiers. The UN has done nothing to build a system to reconcile Somalis except continuing to agitate them.
So how can an upside down environment claim to be on a road to "peace" except lies like the ones they made about SL representatives. Just as the UN do not pay a particular attention to the needs of SL and its rights, they also trample upon that of Zoomalia ppl.
They already assigned 52 seats to Somaliland clans when Somaliland is not part of their road map or want to be part of it (It's like saying we decide this for you before we ask you what you want lol) Let's just wait and see what the two agree upon this year
Somaliland is for Habar Jaceyl and Saad Musa but the 52 represent the true Dir family who believe in Somalia thats why Garhajis got 10 members because southern Somalis always know Garhajis and Essa Muse are true Somali. H/A got 6 and 4 of them are Esse Musa.
My Family on bothsides are Garhajis. Let me put this to you in the nicest possible way, WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH MOGADISHU.
Its funny because when UDUB was in power they you to say HJ and HA are not for Somaliland, and the in Burco they still use the Somali Shilling ect..
Now its reversed. As an Garhajis what has Mogadhishu given me, to want to be part of them?
Nothing!
It can't even give peace security to its own people. The president cannot even visit his home town of jowha.
I couldn't find a specific description or suitable word to call for that chap KAYSE, but assume he is fool, insane, jealous, sick, shameless and spoiler in every way. So, help me out guys!
I'm full garhajis too on both side but sorry no one is with Kayse. What is good for HA HJ is also good for garhajis and gadabbursis and vice versa. The most important thing is peace and security and Somaliland provided that to its citizens through cooperation and tolerance and our children grow up in harmony for the past 21 years avoiding the anarchy that has consumed the Somali people.
I tell you that Somaliland people has matured and regardless of their issues they will never allow division that can make them all suffer like Somalia. HA HJ Garhajis beef is so 20 years ago, we are in a different era now an era where we became more united for our common goal regardless of whether Somaliland or Somalia join in the future or seperate. Kayse is alone and represents himself alone
Eid Mubarak walaal,
I understand your one of few in the Diaspora that got brain washed. I used to lead your Diaspora Garhajis camp not long ago but going home teaches you a lot. Somaliland only exists in fairytale stories and in the virtual world (Diaspora exchange it thru the internet).
Garhajis are real Somalis and all Somalis know that wherever they go in the south or Ogaden region, everyone knows they are not into the tribal state of "Somaliland" just like A. Tuur.
95% of Garhajis are waiting for Mogadishu to stabilize and once that happens, they will be flying the good old blue flag, just watch and see.
Giving them 10 members means also seeking their support in the north, if Garhajis withdraws from Somaliland like Harti and Samaroon, then it will be game over.
Let's thank the wise 52 Dir MPs and the more to come. Somalia is almost standing up again after 21 years of misunderstanding, foreign meddling…
I am excited about my country for the first time…there is great optimism.
Somaliland is just our regional state.
Somaliland can no longer tell anyone they are working and Somalia is failed.
52 MPS is a nice eid mubarak present to all Dir family. Garhajis always believe in Dir and Irir Samale unlike the few who claim the fake Sheikh binu hashim binu separatism…I bet if we dug his grave and did DNA, there are is just another Somali Farah buried there if not empty.
I'm not brain washed but I believe in the unity of my people regardless of what they choose unlike you who want to stir division and hating on every little good we do or we stand for. Oh and are you telling me there is a dude called Irir Samale who had all these children and many Dir people including isaaq and all of Somalis except darood and rahanwayn. I know you are strongly against Somalis being associated with Arabs but we definitely have Arab in us because Arabs brought Islam to the Somali peninsula and our language is full of Arabic even though Somalis are ancient.
To be frank kayse is helping you becuase you guys currently live dark caves he knows current status in somaliland it does not exist at all in world event and local.
Instead of keep lying to each other it’s better to come up good ideas which will be more progressive to your areas.
You believe in him buddy. However, there are lots who believe what you are believing in but express their opinions in a decent and civilized manner, but insulting clans and certain groups is absurd. By the way, do you believe yourself live in a different world? Whether we live in dark caves or not, we are and will be on a same boat forever. Keep that in mind brother!
I don’t believe no one but ny self and The creator ALLAH.who is insulting who here,you-youself using These words, fool,shameless,sick.
DO i believe myself live different world? no,There is only one planet in The solar system humans can live and That is planet EARTH which i reside currently.
Dhuguse.
my friend some of our is@@q people are lost including you.why? because if you keep selling something unsellable will not work.
Going back This issue of The “name” SOMALI-LAND all somalis in somali territory live SOMALI-LAND no one lives in The air or sea. i hope you understand now.
Instead of concerning yourself with Somaliland. Why don't you go and free you people from Al-Shabab, who are feeding them hyena Meat was we speak?
Cajib some people really need to sort out their priorities. Your people have been in almost constant civil war for 20 years and you have the nerve to talk about Somaliland.
You misunderstood i am not concerning somaliland becuase it does not exist what i am concering is nothern somalia.
Al-shabab are gone and godane will be capture soon.him and his group cuase a lot of suffering to young folks amputation forcing people to eat Hyena meat.
Ahmed
If you deny Somaliland, you denied your identity. Remember buddy, Somaliland means in Somali : dhulkii Somaalida, so I don't understand why you are so touchy about it or do you want to call it another name.
this comments could have come from the dark ages all talking about tribalism. here for a change i dont care about my clan or if they become president all i care is someone who restores peace in poor somali republic and labour party by the way i don't support my families dream of creating little new country calld somaliland in hargeisa
Somalilander – you don't have to offend any Somali tribe – what have the gurgura's done to you?
For you information Gurgura is a knickname for the Dir Tribe known as Madahweyne Dir i.e the oldest Dir. His name was actually Mohammed Dir. The Gurgura are mentioned as being part of Ahmed Gurey's army in the battles against the Ethiopians in the famous book called the Futal Al- Habesh.
If the Gurgura (Mohamed Dir) are not Somali what chance have you got in being Somali as your ancestors married Dir's daughters to give rise to Isaq's children.
The Gurgura are a very powerful Somali tribe in Dire Dawa and surrounding areas (Irer, Shinile, Hurso and Harar) and speak many languages. They comprise half of the Dire Dawa government and after the elections in April 2013 Inshallah they will govern 80% of the Dire Dawa regional government.
If you have an inkling of a brain you will know Dire Dawa is the most important Somali trading city in the Horn Of Africa – hence think twice before insulting the Gurgura Dir.
When Siad Bare was attacking Hargeysa where did the SNM make their head quarters – Dire Dawa.
Many Gurgura and other Dir tribes died fighting for the SNM in the early 89/9 period as well as in the famous Somali Galbed war against Ethiopia in 1977/78.
It is not often commented on how the Hawiya contributed financially to helping the SNM movement either.
They Hawiya were aware that they are related to the Isaaq (Dir) via their mutual ancestor Irrer.
By the way the Gurgura Dir are also present in a substantial quantity in Somaliland. They live in Hargeysa, Sheikh, Berbera, Togwajele, Borama, and Gabile amongst other. They have just elected a Gurgura councillor in Gabile called Mudane Ali Shiine.
Normally the Dir tribes don't often get involved in these types of discussions in forums and leave it to other tribes. Sometimes however you have to respond to ignorant people like Somalilander who have other agenda's in hand.
Dr Ali