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SOMALIA: Northern clans accuse Mogadishu government of marginalization
May 15, 2012 · 44 Comments
MOGADISHU — Somali Tribal chiefs, religious leaders and intellectuals meeting in Somalia’s capital Mogadishu accused the TFG government of excluding them from law making bodies and power sharing.
The mainly northern Dir and Harti clan leaders say they will walk out on the meeting which brought together Somali figures to deliberate on the proposed constitution.
The northern leaders accused the government of marginalization, corruption and alienating them. They claim the proposed number of seats promised to them prier to the meeting was never delivered and this more than halved their representatives.
They accused the weak transitional government of Sheikh Sharif of favoring southern clans such as his own Hawiye and leaving the rest in the cold.
They said the government’s stance will undermine the reconciliation efforts and will help refuel conflict in the volatile nation.
Idiris Hadi Qalinle, one of the prominent figures, said unless the government stops its aggression against the northern clans the meeting will prove fruitless. He added the TFG government created a hostile and uncomfortable environment to operate for them and might all together pull out from the meeting.
Mohamed Sheikh Ibrahim also accused the government of great injustice saying Mogadishu was not keen to include them in decision making process or deliver on the promised representations. He said after two decades it seemed same injustice and greed are still practiced in Mogadishu. He warned unless system is changed they will not allow their names to be used just to get funds from the United Nation and donor nations.
Whatever the case, the elders are expected to leave Mogadishu in the coming days because of the hidden hostility and alienation taking in the war-torn city.
Somalilandpress
May 15, 2012
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Tags: Dhulbahante, Dir, Isaaq, Warsangeli
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They (waqooyi clan leaders) deserve it. Time and time again the Somaliland government tried to show them the true color of those in Mogadishu, today they discovered the horrifying reality in their own eyes.
Mogadishu is always clan, corruption, bribe, inner a campaign, lobbying clan members. This Somalia you are after is not even on their mind. If you are not going there with huge money like Abdillahi Yusuf then doing big karbaash using Ethiopians and bribing their own like Mohamed Dheere…Mogadishu is not for you.
This is nothing new.
Big slap in the face…maac sonkor cala shaah!!! Tuugo tuugo heshaay. Lets enjoy the comedy show. Both groups are thugs and scammers. The title of this article should be "northern scammers got scammed in Mogadishu the capital of scamming".
We welcome this news, just seeing their true colors.
This is not new at all and the wallawyn will never share a penny or stop claiming us, this latest incident proves how shameless they really are. They in the past exercuted Somaliland religous leaders we all recall Jazeera beach genocide, my advise for them is to flee before they are burried alive in jazeera beach. These odayaal are greedy but lets hope they return to their families alive.
I am certain at present many are held agaist their will, those who are concerned about their wellbeing are encuraged to write to Right Groups, UN and donor countries
Marginalization and tribal rule is what destroyed Somalia and the dream for greater Somalia in the first place. Mogadishu should know better now, but I doubt Somalis learn from experiences.
better than hargeisa that is burning right now as dahabshiil tries to buy the everyones land FROM the goverment not from the owners!
Shariif and his H@wiye thùgs are the same people who destroyed our beuatiful country!
This is bizarre — Somalilandpress is tacitly giving credence to the TFG's fictitious assertion that there are elders and intellectuals representing Somaliland, who are partaking in the Mogadishu meeting on the implementation of the Roadmap.
Somalilandpress should have noted in its report that these so-called "Northern leaders" are self-appointed men/women who represent no one other than themselves.
Well said.
It is well known that Somaliland and its clans have nothing to do with the gathering taking place in Mogadishu. It is laughable to see people who never set foot in Mogadishu to be among those the TFG claims to be in that meeting and deciding the faith of Somalia. Take for example Boqor Buur Madoow, who is now in Hargeisa jail, but according to the TFG list is he is one of the most important leaders in that conference. That sounds as wishful thinking from the part of the TFG.
The other point is I congratulate the Mogadishu clans to finally come to their senses and decide to marginalize those who had no business in Mogadishu in the first place. These people should accept the reality on the ground or go back to pirateland. Simply, Puntland warlord can not decide the faith of all Somalis and Somalila is too big and too sophisticated to be run by remote control from Majeertenia.
@Ibrahim
our beautiful country was destroyed by your father afweyne and not hawiye take your responsibility for once please
I see no clan elders in Mogadishu, just self-promoting opportunists.
This is a fabricated story. The elders from the Harti clan said absolutely nothing about injustice because they know the country was in a civil war for thirty years and we will wait until we as somalis can stand on our own feet. It is the Dir Waqoooyi that is not happy with the arrangements and they want a "country" they dominate so good luck maybe you should pack up and move.
@ JayJay,
It is good to see that you are coming to your senses and back-tracking. I love the spin you put to your cowardice. I knew you were always punching above your weight and I congratulate the H***ye heroes for their courage.
These are self centered thugs, they do not represent anyone in Somaliland, they went to this conference knowing the people and government of Somaliland is against it. And if any of them come back to Somaliland they should face treason.The government of Somaliland must stand firm with these criminals, no if or but.
They deserve whatever happens to them!
Those referred to as northern Somali clans also includes those clans in Somaliland? What a joke. Didn't expect that from Somalilandpress. Somaliland has nothing to do with Somalia’s road map whether few traitors, fake so-called clan leaders escape to Mogadishu or not.
Excluding Somaliland clans, I wish the people of Somalia will find a way to settle their differences and establish a government that democratically represents all. Good luck to their road map, but don’t falsely claim us.
who's us? are you referring to is@@qs?
Anyone that comes under Somaliland territory
WAAR YAARA HEEN QAYRKEEN PETROL AYUU LA SOO BAXAY MAXAA ANAGA INDHAHA IYO DHEGAHA NA AWDAY ?!
Finally, it seems that H***ye came to their senses to take back what is theirs and to give the boots to those people who think that it is their entitlement to rule Somalia. End that Somaliaweyn carp which benefits no body but them. Let them be cramped in that tiny h*llh*le called Puntland.
Ha***ye are noble and patriotic people and they are strong supporters of 'Greater Somalia ;-)
JayJay Or Allemegan, whichever you prefer to be called this minute, depending on the severity of your delusion. Please wake up and smell the coffee the era of deceptively calling for Somaliweeyn is over. You guys enjoy your dusty little Majeerteenia villages and do not ever dream of running Mogadishu ever again.
Claim what belongs to you and forget about everything else, Mogadishu is for H***ye and you have no say in its affairs. UNDERSTOOD! Well done Ha***ye!
Somalinders hate facing the truth ofcourse there are Dir including issak leaders in Mogadishu and they are from all sub clans, why do lie to yourselves? We disagree with them but they are certainly in Mogadishu getting harassed by the Hutus of red lip Sharifa.
The arrangements are 81 members for Dir, 81 Doros, 81 Hutus, 81 Rahaweins and few minorities, the so called 4.5 hutu-doro system.
The full list is on Hiiiraan
Those who are claiming Hartis have not been targeted are lying to themselves too, the Majertis already fled from Mogadishu and flew back to Garowe village. Read Dahir Irro's press release, more than 20 injrteens fled.
And when it comesto Hartis people only count the Injirteens
I don't think the social turmoil in Somalia will never be resolved as long as there's a fear of one group might get the upper hand over the other is the main issue. The fear of being dominated has to be thoroughly addressed and dealt with.
Osman Qaal
@Dhugtame
I know you are trying to rehabilitate your reputation after you showed your true mettle in the debate about Dr.Mohamed Abdillahi Omar the other day. I respected you until you did fall apart like a love-deprived youngster and started seeking reassurance from anyone and everyone. I really don’t have any desire to engage folks like you who look pretty until the going gets tough. You can’t handle the heat but you are drawing me in to the fray this time by mentioning my name without good reason. Keep me out of your JayJays.
For your information, my comments in this forum are neither intended for the faint-hearted nor for Gambella folks or the paid Ethiopian spies who need translator to comprehend comments written in Somali language.
Yes Dhugtame, what is happening in Mogadishu is very disappointing and disheartening. Yes it saddens me to hear Somali people are being further divided by the inept TFG in Mogadishu. However, mark my words Dughtame. There is nothing wrong with being for greater Somalia. The dream about greater Somalia is not dead and it lives in the hearts of millions of Somalis no matter how gloomy things look today.
Which Somali region are you from if you don't mind me asking…sool or reer xamar? just curious.
amal, he is D*r**d alright. One can read his comments between the lines to figure out who he is. Besides, H*w*ye have their country and stopped attacking Somalilanders long time ago. All they need to do is to regroup, understand what is best for them and take back the control of their country from these minority who were meddling with their affairs for over 21 years.
In my entire life I have never seen a somali who is against the ideology of Somaliweyn except Is***Qs
Mohamed,
Somaliland-Somalia alone don’t make up greater Somalia. Bring about the other three including Djibout and we are more than willing to erect Somaliweyn else forget it and stop hiding behind Somaliweyn to cover your own agenda. Don’t forget the Somaliweyn hype began in Somaliland in the first place and Italian Somali mafia have to murder it.
amal
By Allah have no HIDDEN agenda, i'm a genuine person. Our dream should and must be for united Somalis and bring back the glorious Somaliweyn project. I belive the idea of united we prosper divided we expire.
Somali Galbeed (Ogaden) and NFD would love to be a part Somaliweyn, but unfortunately they are under gaalo occupation.
You did not bothered to campgain for Somaliweyn when it was too close because you were busy trying to eliminated Is**qs from the face of the earth. You are trying hard to campaign just because D*r**d are the only people can benefit from it to cover their minority status. Jabouti is done and there is nothing you can do about it. The other two were sold by Afweyne.
Allemagan,
I don't think anyone to should be responding to your lack of substance comments.
We're in the 21st century and you're proudly carrying a tribal name on your shoulders.
You're a mentally sick person you should get your head examined…
Osman Qaal
expect few Is@@q thugs who want to take half for what belongs to all somalis but conference going well..
13 dhol0z traditional elders are there also warang@li, gadabuurisi and issa… so good luck for somali Road map;/
The dream of Somaliweyn never was and never will be. It is an illusory and unattainable distant projects that will never materialize. Keep chasing the mirage until you drop dead!
next somalia president have to is@q especially my reer abti Habra-yonis, my tribe dhlbahate or the rulers m@rex@@n
we tired of Mj and h@wiye.. they not making any change..
Anfar , Issa and Ogaden were against Somali Wenyne well before the tragic genocide against Isaaq regions by afweyne i.e by an Ogaden tribalist. So get you facts correct. Somaliweyne died well before Somalia could get a chance to form. Mainly due to this mis-information most Somalis are still loosing the plot.
What do you mean Habar younis??? They are part of Somaliland just like the dhulbahante so it doesn't make any sense nor any significance.
they not anymore there was a time when we all want to seperate but that dream is died now.. can habar-awel and habra jilic form a country i dont think so.. the old diabetic man should go before he ruin anything else we lost so many lifes ever since he came to power..
plus dhulbante were never 100% believed seperation but due recent cashes we lost trust in u…. and we will never going to expect seperation..
False info sooljoogto.. A few do not have the say but all those who are and are still part of Somaliland. You only have to see the current parties within Somaliand and ministers to see the strong support Somaliland has. Voice less desperados aren't included. Simple
@Allemegan or which other name you prefer to be called yourself this second?
It is absurd and further indication to your disturbed mental status that you linked my last comment to an related comment I made while back and had nothing to do with Somaliland-Somalia unity. to refresh your deluded mind, the previous comment was about Somaliland internal affairs and has had no link whatsoever to your somaliweeyn fantasy.
Having put your ridiculous argument aside, may I ask why the hell you post garbage in this site under different names if you are mentally sound? it is obvious to all that your weak and baseless recycled argument will not convince any one and I have yet to see a single genuine person even bothering to give credence to your wired and out of line opinion. That is why you change your IDs many times in every single day and post this laughable comments.
My advice to you is this; get a job and stop wasting your time on this Somaliweyn crap! This sterile and repetitive comments will never produce fruits, so get real and stop being the clown that you are and stop further damaging the image of your corrupt and power hungry clan the single-clan rule is gone and will never come back, just be realistic and accept your current humiliated status, this is the reality whether you like it or not. There is no more room for Afweyne remnants in the new Somali order!
I meant: Unrelated comment…..
I do not even understand why this is a news item. Somalia is right not to entertain them because they do not represent Somaliland. Even the title is so funny. Somaliland tribes have no entitlement in Somalia because they are not part of Somalia. Bewildered by the complaint!