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Little progress in Somaliland and Somalia talks
June 21, 2012 · 80 Comments
LONDON — A tense first day formal discussions between feuding neighbours Somaliland and Somalia in a secret location near London has run into rough weather on Wednesday.
According to sources in London issues such as Somaliland’s independence, bilateral ties and cooperation in key areas remain as the biggest hurdles. “The first day deliberation lasted five hours and the two sides remain deadlocked on number of issues,” the source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Somalilandpress.
Somaliland, which enjoyed relative peace for the last two decades, primarily seeks Somalia to accept and acknowledge its statehood. Mogadishu believes the northern region is part of its integral territory.
Somaliland and Somalia’s transitional government have struggled to put their relationship on an even keel since joining into a temporary union in July 1960. Somaliland withdrew from the union in 1991 after a war that left hundreds of thousands of people killed says it has no plans to reunify.
The source said talks will resume later today (Thursday) and are expected to last the whole day. It further added the mediators — Britain, Norway and the EU might force the negotiations into an overtime– as they sought to find a compromise.
The sponsors said they want the two sides to clarify their future relations and where the two stood on issues such as foreign aid, security, development and cooperation.
Regional experts have said a breakthrough was unlikely any time soon considering this was the first face-to-face dialogue in 21 years. The private meeting between the rival sides has prompted speculation as to the timing– the transitional government’s term expires in August and is due to hand power over to a new permanent government.
Wednesday’s five-hour long meeting was a preparatory talk which could represent the start of the next stage of negotiations if common ground is established.
Both sides have sent a team of five members.
Somalilandpress
June 21, 2012
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You can only negotiate with reasonable and mentally sound people, these warlords from Somalia are neither reasonable nor mentally sound. This is just another occasion for the the Somalia warlords to abuse Somaliland's and international community's kindness and good will.
Somalilanders trust their well fare to Somalia about as much as a Chicken does to Colonel Sanders!
I hope our leaders tell them to take a flying fr ack off a Big Ben and drown in the Thames!
"feuding neighbors"
kkkkkk this made my day i like this website. the only proper English Somali website.
there are no neighboring countries it is one country i am afraid
dar00d foqol dar00d. you guys will never lead somalia again so maca salaama
i am not darood. all you people think about is tribalism. but trust me i will choose farmaajo in a heart beat who happens to be darood. and my father was in the struggle to oust siad barre and was in prison 13 years. we came too far to look to tribes in mogadishu we want someon like farmajo.
I am 100% sure that you are and your father was power hungery majeerteeeen just like you. Goodby jaw jaaleyaal geestaad doonto uqaado Somaliland way tagtey and will never, never be part of you agian.
You guys r never happy, they made a little progess, how do you wat was said? Maybe Somalia is will to let go Somaliland if they come to arrangement with Khaatumo state.
most of people in sool and sanaag support and want somaliland. there is no point in being part of a failed state who will never get peace.
Thats good Masha'ALLAH, as long no one get force into something they don't want. Remember we human being have free will. In time Somalia will get peaceIn shaa ALLAH
@khaatumo-boy
Dhabayaco ur imposter from hargeisa.
hehehe khaatumo boy? more like beenlow boy anyone that uses khaatumo name is hardcore somalian
The TFG somalia Ministers must respond to the reality – the logic and the changes. Somaliland was not a territory Somaila had any control over the past 21 years. Somalia have had no functioning statehood for the last 21 years. They messed up the chance of 7 years of clearly written TFG charter to make a government, that with all the expenses paid, to Hotels, travelling, Salaries, security, …etc. 60 days left of the last bonus 12 months extension. Somailand held the IC to witness the past seven years – It was too long for me to see this day come. I guess they don't have any more arguments for any more funded TFGs, I dont expect they understood the expected governance from them would have been another TFG with its bills paid by IC to carry on. I hope all the best for a solid Somaia regime but not at the expenses of Somaliand's newest generations. Wa billah towfiq.
I mean to say eight years including the bonus year extended by Uganda's Yoweri Museveni having the say due to his largest contingent in Somalia.
what were somaliland were accepting a quick deal? this iz a long meeting, it probably take another 20 years. the most important thing is we need to decide who somaliland actually represents? as history tells for the last 20 years that somaliland only functions through barbara iyo hargeisa iyo Burco which is inhabited by one clan the separatists hardcore of SNM.
lets just take out Khatumo State from this equation cuz this meeting has nothing to do with Khatumo State, the people of Khatumo state have already decided their fate totally 'they said loud and clear Somalia's unity' No one, not even the the most powerful country has the power or the authority to force the people of Khatumo State into somaliland. the other thing is awdal state, we have seen tons and tons of videos from YT bout Awdal diaspora, waving their flag proudly & singing patriotic somali songs. if if silanyo things he can revive the dead british somaliland from the grave, then hes having a dream, a dream that will never become a reality.
if somaliland truly wants nothing to with somalia then they will peacefully take their rightful land, but if they have bad intentions like stealing lands that doesn't belongs to them, then we have a really big problem here.
Don't talk about Awdal or boorama my home towns, we Somaliland all day son.
So typical of Puntland peoples to always meddle in other peoples affairs, you guys use ransom money as to fill your state coffers yet you don't see me talking about it.
So never, ever try and talk for my people, I dare you to go Boorama and you will see yourself who people support, not those silly diaspora social media peoples.
as u said khatumo state can't force to join somaliland same as that somaliland pple can't be forced to somalia , khatumo were part of somalialnd since 1960 and it it still, but mojority leads monority isaaq leads ,apart from that dhulbahante has miniseters m gadubuursi has miniseteres,, it it a nation, all somalia pple are refugee but somalilanders are not , they give asylum the somali refugee know that and how our government give u aid in ssbsstihiii faminne
Somalis would have been better off without Dhafoorqiiq like you from Puntland. You are the sick part of Somalis, how can you compare one tribe puntland to Somaliland. This is not true, somaliland is a democratic country and everyone can be elected to the top post, unlike Puntland which is structured positions. No othe tribes are allow to run for the top post and that is why people from eastern part of Somaliland are happy to stay with Somaliland.
In my opinion this too early for S/land to site with Somalia at this stage, the country is still not librated from Al-shabab, no functioning government in place which has full control of the entire country. I guess they're not mature enough to sit and negotiate with S/land.
If all Somalis can't agree on a new union based on fairness unlike the old one that failed. We will have an internationally monitored referendum in the north for Somaliland vs Somalia. Those who vote for Somalia will join Somalia and those in favor under Somaliland will see their wish granted.
What I am confident about is that, people in eastern Sanaag, Sool and Buhoodle interior will vote for Somalia while the majority in Awdal will vote for Somaliland. The biggest vote for Somaliland will be in Isaaq regions and if Isaaqs and Dir have their way then Hawiye in the south will look for some kind of union with them.
If Isaaq goes out of the union, the balance of power is gone and the majority of Hawiyes do not want a state with only Daroods and Rahawein. If a little incident flared up between them, we all know where things will go.
Rahaweins still mad about Aideed and do not trust Hawiye dominated government nor Daroods.
If Isaaqs get out, those two will battle out in the south and the Isaaqs along with other Dirs will no doubt back the Hawiye.
Thats the reality, what we all want and what the reality is are two different things. Personally I believe in referendum. If harti people don't want Somaliland, let them be, its probably better for Isaaqs anyways because Hawiyes will not welcome nor want a country without the Isaaq or Dir.
I get impression you are saying Isaaqs are the solution to Somali’s problem if they say yes to Somalia then things will be better?
"keyse
you are getting pathetic lately i used to read and respect your comments. what is this tribal poo your are spouting lately? Hawiye and Darood will never ever go to war again. even if there is a Barre style coup there will never be ethnic cleansing in Mogadishu again if isaags go it will never affect the balance of power in somalia. if delbihanti go with somaliland it too will not affect darood in somalia having said all this southern somalis will sell out their whole clan for 50000 dollars every parlimiantarian.
farmaajo.
somalis already past That ethnic cleasing era will not happen agian cuz arm Embargo will be intact in somalia long time to come. also They know now no tribe can’t overrun The other one.
mr kayse This gentelman he is out spoken person says what ever comes to his mind which good it’s part of free speech,put also what he should realize is all The major clans in somalia can pose Threat or solution. one clan don’t have monopoly for That.
Comments have no value. Democracy always majority wins then there will be Somaliland. If other clans want Somalia and defeated in the votes then they stay Somaliland. A country does not move but people can move. Whoever does not want Somaliland they are free to move. It is simple and logic and it needs common sense. In Britain people voted for the mayoral election and Boris won only by 8000 votes but still he became a mayor. Same would be with Somaliland referendum if is repeated under International observors then if majority wins then that will be the final straw for the Southerners.
@puntlandgeeze
oo ma adoontii cagdheerta ahayd ee kudhashaa katalisa ceerigaabo waar ceerigaabo anaa leh kana taliya booramena walaalkay ninkii lahaa baakataliyee afka dabasha ka qarso nacasyohow
Hundred perent of the members negotiating for the side of the TFG hail from the former British Somaliland Protectorate. It is doubtful that these diplomats can decide the fate of our people in Sool, eastern Snag and Audal State.
As Kayse and others suggested here , the above regions should be given a chance for a fair refrendum to decide whether they want to be part of the separatists in the northern Somalia or whether they want to stay in greater Somalia. The choices are clear; no one should be forced into separation or union that they do not desire.
We can sing and dance about the original borders of British Somaliland Protectorate. Times have changed and unlike some people, many northerns moved on with their lives, see themselves as part of one Somalia and do not want to be reminded about the dark chapter of colonization. The only thing that colonial history reminds most of us is that it gave our land to foreigners and treated us as unenlightened savages and wandering nomads.
It is true that union is good but not that of Somalia it had, because it does not show the legality of the two partners as there was no any agreement of sharing the development among the partners in the union what l see is the only political interest and the selfish ideas. please let us look on the side of the development of our people other than political selfishness you will find that Somalia it has failed totally in all aspect of the development,political,and a good governess and also there is no agreement among themselves, Please stop convincing Somaliland to join into your burden.
Allemagan & kayse made here good Points here clear cut solution,and i said million times before let people in These region sool-sanaag-ceyn-awdal have referendum wirh The presence of IC.
whether remain mainland somalia or s/land region There is no need bushing & chafing we have a lot of Things to worry about,somali race culture religion disappearing slowly.
Infact This meeting both sides were told by The IC They only could talk about development-cooperation-piracy,if That does not give you good picture god help you.
''many northerns moved on with their lives, see themselves as part of one Somalia and do not want to be reminded about the dark chapter of colonization''-
somaliland was never colonised you fool, the people of somaliland were free in those days,maybe you're confusing us with italia somalia where the somali's there were used as slaves.
anyway this meeting is just bullshit in my opinion, nothing would come out of it…….i just can't wait for august!!! ( UN trusteship) LMAO!!!
How about the borders we have with ethiopia some of the peolpe their do not enjoy being with some ONLF people who are puppets of ethiopia and want to seperate i dont see a somali citizen ever speak of such things walaaxawla walaa quwati ilaa bilaah
dir isagaa dega somaliland inteeda badan hartiyina ha danay somalland rabin iyakay utaal siday u gelayaan sool bari sanaag bari iyo tuulada buuhoodle intaasay dhulka kuleyiin
An international supervised Referendum within the State of Somaliland (26th June 1960) borders, how does that sound? I mean just look at South Sudan and Eriteria they both had countrywide referendums before leaving their parent country (Sudan and Ethiopia respectively). To be fair Somaliland already had an internationally verified referendum in 2001 with 97% supporting it. But for claritys sake it can be done one more time. I think its time for these Somaliland antagonists to put their money where their mouth is and accept a referendum in Somaliland based between Union and Sovereignty. If Somaliland really is unsustainable then there is nothing to worry about, right?
those 97% were from clan from hargisa nd burco n bebera. listen i dont give a toss if the world recognise ur tribal state but Khatumo State is our property.
i dont know about awdal but am sure people from sool and sanag and cayn will 99.9% will say NO to seperation.. lets no fool ourself because the whole region of sool, sourth and eastern sanaag and cayn were under the rule of puntland back 2001… so when did we have referendum.
Somaliland has embarked on a new course; reconciliation talks which is the hallmark of independence for African states; just look at Eriteria Ethiopia and Sudan and South-Sudan, I can envisgn the IC allowing Somaliland to have its referendum preceded by an interim period of a year or two and this referendum should only be for those within the borders of the former British Somaliland and although it will definately not be a clean sweep for Somaliland, there is no doubt that the majority, over 75% will endorse the Somaliland project, this is because in a democracy the Majority always wins and in a referendum the majority always wins just look at Montegaro becoming its own country with only 51% voting for it in a referendum. This is the way to allow Somaliland to gain its recognition.
The Khatuumo project has to be acknowledged because it does have support on the ground in Somaliland unlike the Awdal project which is next to non-existent in the region. Therefore, in the referendum only the Eastern regions might say no to Somaliland. However, Toghdeer, Awdal, Gabiley, Hargeisa and Berebera will all say Yes. Easily over 80%
We do not care about the TFGs loose federalism, we do not want to be the new capital of a unified Somalia, rather we want our own country and our own political structures.
This does not mean we have forsaken our fellow Somalis down South, rather we had to do that to prosper and to find our feet and we will assist you in every way once we get our recogntion, we will be closest of neighbours and trade heavily, whilst increasing security cooperation.
I am telling you an internationally supervised Referendum will be perfect for Somaliland. All you Somaliland haters keep saying, majority of people in the North do not want Somaliland blah blah blah! Well now put your mone ywhere your mouth is and support this call for a referendum within Somaliland's 26th June 1960's borders.
Sorry Sir but De jure Somaliland's 26th June 1960s borders does not need further call for a
referendum, if the gentleman understands what de jure of colonial Eras stand for. De jure Somaliland
has a blue-print clear-cut mandate on this unique political issue per se.
While the issues such as Foreign Aid, Security, Development and Cooperation should be tasked
in the preliminary talks, the issue of seperately independent Somaliland Sovereignty based on
the 26th June 1960s, is non-negotiable and remains sacrosanct. Hargeisa and Mogadiscio
recognizing each other on even keel is the best two way state forward solution. Anything else jeopardizes
matters into anarchy and catastrophic consequencies.
Cheers.
what kind of logic is this?
you want referendum? the referendum will be in whole Somalia.
in fact there will be no referendum as this will be Pandora box next will be tribe A want referendum and b c e f this is not how countries work. period. better jump in the train before august. trust me as soon as we get rid of shabab you are the next problem. let us see if one tribe can hold whole nation to ramson
maalik,
how is that so? Somalis never had a say on Somaliland's destiny and it never will.
We gave our sovereignty to Somalia in 1960 then got it back on our own terms 31 yrs later as we realized our we had made a huge mistake.
How come Somalia never filed a complain to the world against Somaliland as we had determined our future in 1991. Oh, I almost forgot you guys were too busy with fighting each other for the last last 21 yrs., Now, you suddenly wanted Somaliland to be dragged into your political turmoil. Guess what ain't going to happen..
In a plain and simple terms if you wish, Somaliland doesn't want to be a part of Somalia, because we don't want have a dead weight on our back for another 30 some yrs..
Osman Qaal
Sanaag Sool the dh u los dont have a majority in at all! The only reason they are making trouble is because si laa n yo is trying to be peaceful! If he turned the matter over and washed his hands of it the local people would swollow them within a week!
So it turns out Preident Silanyo and President Sharif will meet next week in Switzerland or UAE…..interesting!
The best thing to do is do an internationally supervised referendum. I was in somaliland in 2001 when the old referendum took place my Quran Madrasa there was two Boxes one Black one{for somalia] and one white one for [somaliland], in the entire sheikh town only one man voted for union because his second wife and children were in xamar. At the time i was only 8 years old therefore just watched what was happening, did't even know such a country called Somali republic of the 1960s until i studied history, bizarrely.
However the outcome of the referendum is predictable, vast majority will favour somaliland and others who side line with somalia on the bases of tribe thing will lose out, best thing for them to do is to migrate to somalia as the land belongs to somaliland or just change their mind and stick to somaliland.
The isaaqs are the protectors of somaliland both ideologically, politically and financially and militarily they are the core of what makes somaliland, and in fact the so-called old somali republic. Unity can only exist when isaaqs are there and somaliland can only exist when isaaqs are there. So pretty much they provide a pivotal role in the somali politics. But take my word, cohesion between different tribes in somaliland need to be strengthened and maintained in order for somaliland to avoid what plaques many country which is ethical divisions. Dhulbahante need to sit down with somaliland and say hey the land belongs to both of us lets live together side by side and build the future of our children, otherwise just sensless killing will continue to occur as we have witnessed in the past and hatered will grow.
For all those so called Somalilanders who are suggesting we should just give away sool, sanaag,and a chuck of Togdheer–what may I ask are you sniffing?
Hey while we're at it why not throw in Gabiley, Hargeisa and Berbara. If you don't know Sool, Sanaag and Togdheer (I don't recognize ayn) are the heartland of HY and HJ tribes—two of the most powerful subtribes in Iss@q. They won't give up their ancestral homes without a fight. The number one rule my father taught me was to never betray your brother—because they day you do you have no where to run to.
SSC are nothing but a bunch of spoiled kids on drugs–we've allowed them to live amongst us but when they get out of line we always put them back in their place.
darling u dont have to give away anything all we have to do is kill off traitors like ina Cambashe and habasade and problem solved. I dont know even why our people being so patients.
yesterday ina cambashe exchanged money tukoraq and who will stop him to do the same lascanod.
cayn dont need ur recognition either but it sure will be ur graveguards untill u stay out of it.
p.s. i know HY are powerful but not too sure about habar jilic no offence y'all
Spoken like the true terrorist you are. Kill, destroy and force is what you know. I red some where that the single incident that propelled the Faqa666sh father Afweyne to rule was the assassination of of the then democratically elected president of the Somali republic in Las Anood in a terrorist act. Ms. if that is wat you are which I doubt much, everything you understand is kill, kill, and kill. That is the mentality of the Mafia. the great commander Ina Cambaashe a true and a brave Somalilander is leading his troops in sool sanag and cyn regions. You can’t do diddly to him.
First, evaluate yourself and weigh what you saying here. You have contradictions. on one hand you talking about Somali Union and on the other you talking about killing all Somalis who oppose your tribe. that sounds very familiar to me and is similar to what the notorious and murderous NSS head a criminal from your tribe with your kind of thought said Let us kill them all they can’t oppose us. Have you read what pirate boy is saying! You sound like a fairly well educated person although your I doubt your education did you any good because you thinking in a primitive fashion.However, He is saying basically they own you and the land you are claiming. And you want to kill commander ina Cambashe and Minister ina Haabsade who want to deliver you from such subjugation and arrogance to freedom! All those possibilities for peaceful travel in between Somaliland towns and villages and even Bossaso is made possible by Somaliland authorities. enjoy. You proved my point.
speaking of Ina cambashe being great commander thats how we know your true colours.
he never left a village called Yagoori nor does he know how to write or read. he got married about 7 times and have no children what so ever. thats how u know inuu habaar qabe yahay and caasiye walid. as for Habsade his own two sons dont agree with him let alone the whole tribe but he has no harm so I dont care what he supports.
Sii'lanyo could easily make peace with elders and inhabitants but he chose the other way around.. well will see waxaad kaheshid. Sii'lanyo also betrayed somali government before during afwayne rule and he won't hesitate to betray y'all..
I personally support peace i dont care who is who and dont believe in tribilism either .. but right know theres no peace in north somalia and sii'lanyo is to blame for it. because before him we knew how to use guns but we chose not.. as soon as he came into power he started doing his famous deeds… mark my word this will only spread coz theres no coming back now.
and cimaran like i said before u have Daroood phobia.. faqash are long gone (dont even know what that means) maybe me and u should make songs together dhag-dheer dhimatoo dhulkii nabad.
I don’t equate Faqa666sh and Darood. To do that will be ignorant of me. However, to ignore the instigators and doers of catastrophic happening of yesteryear who happen to be alive and in a position to do more harm to somaliland will be irresponsible. Their influence is still there and like the skinheads their minions are all over. And you by the way are singing their song and using their words and you want me to sing songs with you! Baby, Ayaxna teg iinna reeb.
cimran u got jokes laught basically everyone who dont agree with this ''somaliland thing'' is faqash… loool
thier songs kulaha dhagdheer is famous somali fiction story it took place near lasnood boholaha xargaga..
Jama also in the SSC the dhu lo s dont even have a majority of the population! Its like some somalis living in california claiming the whole state! Sheer madness!
that's so true—they immigrant to those areas just like Somalis have immigranted to the West and now they're claiming it as their own.
comeAgain us not being the majority of sool what a joke dude u need stop chewing too much and get some sleep.
togdheer diveded into 3 districts: Burco district. Buuhoodle district and Oodwayne district
Sanaag is divided into 5 Districts Badhan, Ceel Afwayn,Ceerigaabo, Dhahar and Laasqoray
Sool is divided into 4 districts = lasnood, boocame . Taleex and Xuddun district..
thats according to the somalia 18 regions but nowdays every village is a region ,.. soon am gona establish my own district in sanaag… Jiidali district or owrbogays district
TO: ALL CONCERN FOLKS NORTH-SOUTH-CENTRAL.
IC IT’S THE ONE CALLING THE SHOTS HERE IN THIS MEETING & ALREADY DECIDED TO KEEP SOMALIA “INTACT”. SO THOSE WHO THINK OTHER WISE NEED TO SEEK COUNSELLING.
EVEN THE MEETING IT WAS ALL ABOUT DEVELOPMENT COOPERATION & PIRACY AS ONE GENTELMAN MENTION HIS COMMENT HERE. FOLKS IN HERE SHOULD FOCUS ON HOW TO BEBATE ABOUT SHARING GOVERNING RESOURCES ETC.
The international community doesn’t have to entertain the warlord Somalis anymore. A crucial time and effort have been already wasted unnecessarily on Somalia’s uncontrollable behavior over the last 21 yrs. Somaliland doesn’t owe anything to Somalia, it’s time we stand on a firm ground and tell these idiots as is by stating to them we’re not prepared to cave in with your mere tactics of giving up our independence which we have been enjoying for more that 2 decades now, nor we need your approval to become a full fledged internationally recognized state.
Again, talks are meant if the parties involved in are respected in one another so, their difference can be mitigated through negotiations. There’s no middle ground here. Somaliland should be in the divers’ seat during today’s meeting and draw a line in the sand for Somalis once and for all. Somalis will never understand the concept of peaceful dialogues, we have had dealt with these folks before we should know better.
Osman Qaal
The international community doesn’t have to entertain the warlord Somalis anymore. A crucial time and effort have been already wasted unnecessarily on Somalia’s uncontrollable behavior over the last 21 yrs. Somaliland doesn’t owe anything to Somalia, it’s time we stand on a firm ground and tell these id*ots as is by stating to them we’re not prepared to cave in with your mere tactics of giving up our independence which we have been enjoying for more that 2 decades now, nor we need your approval to become a full fledged internationally recognized state.
Again, talks are meant if the parties involved in are respected in one another so, their difference can be mitigated through negotiations. There’s no middle ground here. Somaliland should be in the divers’ seat during today’s meeting and draw a line in the sand for Somalis once and for all. Somalis will never understand the concept of peaceful dialogues, we have had dealt with these folks before we should know better.
Osman Qaal
Weel said brother.
Sorry, meant well said!
Allemagan & Kayse are spies & traitors for giving our enemies SNM a lifeline to breathe, they want referendum for Khatumo so they can embarrass puntland. they should have known better by now that puntland is the godfather of somalia, they never beg but retaliate with iron fist.
Las Anod is our rightful land, it's just a matter of time before SNM militia will be chased back to their small village Hargeisa again.
Kayse is a woman who lives in Canada-Kelowna. She's a Hawiye who claims to be Isaaq.
leilafan123 somaliland is doomed.
I think it is time for Somaliland to play hard ball with these Faqa666sh buffoons. Start encouraging those southern communities who want to have their own states and seek alliance with them. give them support and hard ware to kill the faqa66sh snake. Time to support Hawiye to liberate galkacayo from the pirates. Start giving support to the people of central Somalia.
The xaartummo claims are baseless. They are a bunch of terrorist who are killing and murdering innocent civilians. They finance their terror with welfare money.
The true people of Sool and Sanag and cayn are living side by side with their other citizens of Somaliland in peace unlike these terrorists who are killing unsuspecting citizens in the middle of the night. No one and I mean no one from the other tribes want to grab any land from them contrary to what these terrorist are saying. In Las anood you would rarely find any inhabitants other than the clan that reside in the city. while you will find them every where in Somaliland from Borame to Erivaabo to Burao to Caynabo with full rights as citizens of Somaliland. LET us take an example of the Xaartumo girl whom I hope will tell us how she travels to that city Erigabo.
the terrorists are none other than the SNM militia who are brutally terrorizing & murdering the innocent civilians from Khatumo & Awdal state.
Khatumo State have no hidden agenda against any other somali tribes, they only claim their god given land & chosen the path of peaceful & development.
Khatumo State rejected ur one clan state, the same way you rejected mother somalia. soz SNM can't force the people of Khatumo, Awdal and Makhir for something they don't want to.
Ps galkacayo is a peaceful community in puntland and in galmudug but most of Galkayo, including key traffic checkpoints and the city's airport Abdullahi Yusuf International Airport are under puntland control but the taxes from the airport are shared between puntland & galmudug.
cimraan have u had Faqash nightmare …loool suuus suuus suuus dhag-dheer dhimatoo dhulkii nabad
listen dude if galkacayo can be divided so is ceergaabo.. i have travelled cerigabo surroundings villages including jiidali, fiqifilye, ardaa, dhaxamo, awrbogays, and other countless villages right now they all under khatumo state rule.
oh and by the way u can also travel ceergabo to bosaso, galkacayo to buuhodle, garowe to lasnood, taleex to badhan, qardho to kalshaale, lasqoray to xingalool.. dhahar to boocame….this land will name after Harti-empire State no more puntland-khatumo and makhir….
pirate boy what you mentioned above was very reveling.It is very kind of pirateland to share G airport with galmudug . generous!my my my. ridicules! you sound like you are giving them charity. like throwing a bone to bunch of strays. I think Gaalkacayo should belong to the good people of central SOMALIA since they are the majority.
pirate/wastedumper what you mentioned above was very reveling.It is very kind of pirateland to share G airport with galmudug . generous!my my my. ridicules! you sound like you are giving them charity. like throwing a bone to bunch of strays. I think Gaalkacayo should belong to the good people of central SOMALIA since they are the majority.
cimaran people like u make me sick. grow up man its 21 century and u still have Daroood phobia.. Galkacayo belongs to all somalis same way Hargeisa belongs to all somalis..
By any objective standard the talk introduced nothing new.The two side just agreed on a path of mutual accommodation on how to deal with security issues.In the end such an approach to Somaliland secession just creates an extraordinary dependency on any new Somali government formed after August.At its roots, nothing has been solved.
There is a good reason to criticize Somaliland government .The turnabout on depending Somalia government should be startling any decent Somalilander.Today the case where secession is standing is visible for all to see.It seems possible for the first time that the secession idea will erode if this two-tier talks is NOT scrutinized carefully. Many forces are in play here including the pressure from the international community to agree on something.
Just wait for the final drama of another twenty years of talks to unfold.More than anything else, Somalia is NOT going to give up easily, so is Somaliland. Not surprisingly, both sides are dreaming! Maybe I'm cynic and don't believe any negotiations to have a chance of success here, but lets just say this is the beginning and things work slowly in the international level.
To my follow Somalilanders. Need i remind you the teaching of our beautiful religion.' Whatever you pray (duca) for your self, you could pray the same for your brothers and sisters'
What I'm trying to say is we have enjoined and teased the beauty of peace for 2 decade, we should wish the same for our brothers and sisters in the south.
Insha allah we will get our recognition, we need to make sure we don't copy their hate
S/C Dhamaan,
Waxaan soo xasuustay gabay uu tariyey ninkii la odhan jiray Salaan Carabey, waxaana ka mid ahaa;
Ifka intaynu xay nahay haddaan, xiiso kala weyney.
Aakhiro Rabbaa ina-xukumi, xaqa inoo yaalye.
Adigaanse nabsiga kugu xawiley, xaynka kuu sudhane.
Xaggayga wax dhigo haatan waan, kaa xaliil jabaye.
Salaan Carabey!
Somaliland isn't part of Somalia. Why? Because they never ever had any say init. Simple. Why should we or the international world think the Samaroons or the Isaaqs or even the majeertiin have a say. Listen lets be honest and tell the world the truth. Somali Republic died and failed when the TFG or the TNG was called. Thus, no use denying that the south does not represent the North. The North is made up of both peace full i.e Somaliland. Or non peacefull people like Darood delusionalists. Or Harti who we know are in a debute of their own. So lets forget about their unreachable dream but instead we should concentrate on facts.
Somaliland vs Somalia is more of diverse and mangeable equation for Somalis. Thus, should be given a chance. If not I assume no North Somali will ever be given peace. Thus, brings us to the old problem why should Somalis rule if it is indifferent to the North Somalis……mmmmm
I say sue the International Community or the United Nations for every penny for denying the Somaliland people their human right to self determination! I am sick and tired and willing to pay a monthly fee as should every diaspora Lander to fund a legal team!
Time to Play hardball, WE HAVE AN AIR TIGHT CASE and its time to make them pay because the only thing people understand is either cold hard cash or violence!
They have no right to talk about democracy etc show them for what hypocrites they are!
I'm in brother. It is time to collect money to sue them.
It is an option SL should seriously consider.
You can keep deleting my comments but if you people want to secede then it is your right. We in Puntland and Khaatumo want absolutely nothing to do with you. We want to remain part of the Somali Republic and that is the end of the story.
Somaliland shouldn’t negotiate with them because it doesn't make any sense. It is as simple as we are no longer interested in a union with Somalia. We joined the union in 1960 without any approval from the south or the IC. Similarly, we chose to break the union, in 1991, without any approval from the south and IC. Somaliland destiny is in the hand of Slanders only and not anyone else.
Khatimo state is an internal affair of Somaliland and our government will deal with it. Actually, Silanyo government has already dealt with this issue. All they needed was little karbaash :).
if khatumo state is ur internal affair just know somaliland is also Somalia internal affairs.. no body has taken care of anything things are going way it planned..
besides the sectionist have no chioce but negotiate with rest of somalia u have been isolating urself for last 20
Somalia came to exist as a result of the union between British SL and Italian SL. So technically, Somaliland is not an internal affair of Somalia. And now we are no longer interested in the union, there is no such thing as Somalia. However, they can keep the name as a free of charge if they do desire. On the otherhand, there is no such thing as Khatimo exist. If dhullos like to leave SL and join Italian SL then they will require our approval.
In any case, you are going no where inabti. Whether dullus leave or stay. If you know what I mean :).
just like the minister of interior said this conference has nothing to do with dividing the country or forcing somalilanders against thier will.. somali people in general are of tired of this and trying to find ways to sort out thier differences just allow this hateful comments.
The answer for all Somalis is the box ballot, where everyone expresses their own view. If Somaliland doesn't want Somalia then prove it by going to the polls and same as those against. No one can force no one to be part of their dream and vision just to be marginalized. If Hartis don't want Somaliland then fair well and if Isaaqis don't want Somalia then fair well. If Hawiyes and Daroods can work together, which I personally doubt, this will be a test for them.
We will soon hold referendums across Eastern Sanaag and Sool. I know places such as Las Qorey, Dahar and Las Anod will vote for Somalia while Ainabo and Erigavo will go with Somaliland.
Awdal State supporters are minority and are mainly the reer Nuur, they are only upset because of their war with Jibril Abokor but they not so crazy about Somalia.
Djibouti which began accepting Somaliland visas, will have influence in this and is most likely support Awdal with Somaliland and the two (Somaliland and Djibouti) might in the future open borders. Isaaq community in Djibouti is very influential specially now they are heavily investing in Somaliland.
Awdal can be satisfied and there is no military incursion there.
Xaartumo citizen,I think you’re misguided. Mj are playing the game only for themselves. They are not thinking about you. Gaalkacayo is the capital of galmudug and as such should be taken over by the Majority inhabitants.
have u seen the news how injuries from Cayn been welcomed to galkayo the whole city waited even the mayor. Mudug is only region where true mj lives (ciisman mahamud) they also against faroole administration.. i like galmudug state but nobody have the right to take over i think they should share..
give it up girl. The saying goes ” Truth has an ugly head”. All these propaganda you are repeating here are show to be wrong. sidaa aad ku maraysid dhulka ayaa run ah. Dulbahantee cidinna xaqiisa dudsiyi mayso. Miyigiisi waa yaala. Magaalooyinkiisii waa haysta. Dadkiisii they travelling in peace within somaliland with incidents just like you said you doing. I don’t see where is your problem. Nin Isaq ahi ma joogo Las Anood waana la haysta waa leedahay. Even warsangeli baan joogin. You know what they say : if you repeat lies long enough it might resemble truth. but like I said truth has un ugly head you can not keep down. I think Galmudug should start asserting themself and start standing upto mj who are treating them like a step child.
Talks about let us talk some more. Somaliland is a democracy, tfg is a created entity. What is there to talk about.