July 20, 2011 · 29 Comments
ALEXANDRIA, Va.—Aziz Deria has waited seven years to confront the former Somali leader he blames for the deaths of his father, brother and thousands of his countrymen. He could have his chance this week.
Somalia’s former prime minister Mohamed Ali Samantar is scheduled to begin a deposition Thursday in a federal lawsuit accusing him of war crimes. The northern Virginia resident pulled out of previously planned questioning by citing ill health, but a judge has ordered him to cooperate this time unless extraordinary circumstances arise.
His accuser is skeptical of his efforts to avoid the deposition.
“This man knows what he has done. He will try to do anything to be away from the court system,” said Deria, a 47-year-old businessman in Bellevue, Wash.
In 2004, a human rights group helped Deria and another man sue Samantar under a U.S. law that allows civil action against foreign officials responsible for torture or wrongful killings. They allege Samantar, a one-time top lieutenant to dictator Siad Barre, commited war crimes against northern Somalia’s Isaaq clan in retribution for what he perceived as efforts to split Somalia in two.
Deria’s father is among those who killed in a crackdown on the clan, the lawsuit alleges. The Barre regime collapsed in 1991, and there hasn’t been a strong national government there since.
Samantar was once one of the most important men in Africa, a power broker who used Somalia’s strategic position on the Horn of Africa to gain alternating favor from the United States and the Soviet Union. He served from 1980 to 1986 as defense minister, building one of most formidable armies in sub-Saharan Africa. He served as prime minister from 1986 to 1990.
He now lives in a split-level in the Washington suburb of Fairfax, surrounded not by presidents and potentates but by large extended family. He is still well-known among Somali diaspora.
His illnesses aren’t contrived, says his lawyer Joseph Peter Drennan, explaining that Samantar is on dialysis and has become weaker in recent weeks. He has filed emergency motions with an appeals court seeking to halt the lawsuit. But a judge has ordered that Samantar submit to three days of depositions this month.
For Deria, who is represented by the San Francisco-based Center for Justice and Accountability, the opportunity to question Samantar is the primary reason he has pursued a lawsuit for so many years. The lawsuit was once tossed out by a federal judge who said Samantar had diplomatic immunity, but the U.S. Supreme Court disagreed and reinstated it.
Samantar isn’t wealthy, so Deria does not expect to profit financially. Holding him accountable is the real goal.
Yet many Somalis, even those victimized by the Barre regime, don’t understand why Deria is pursuing Samantar through the U.S. court system.
“They don’t know how to hold people accountable,” Deria said, referring to Somalis and others throughout the developing world, where political leaders are typically above the law. “I want my people to learn about accountability.”
“For him to pretend he is innocent, and that nobody can touch him, it is insulting to our intelligence,” Deria said.
The Somali diaspora has mixed feelings about Samantar and others from the Barre regime, said Ahmed Elmi, chairman of the Somali American Community Association in Silver Spring, Md. Many don’t understand the need to dredge up the past when bad conditions in Somalia still need attention, he said. And while most recognize that atrocities occurred under Barre, others also remember years when schools were built and the country flourished.
Elmi said Somali immigrants generally respect surviving elders from the Barre regime.
For his part, Elmi understands and supports victims’ desire for justice.
“That’s why we have a court,” Elmi said. “If he did these things to my family, I would do the same.”
The lawsuit is deeply personal to Samantar. In 1988, he was a college student in California when Somalia began to deteriorate. His father, Mohamed Deria Ali, operated a large import-export business and planned to move the family from Hargeisa to the capital of Mogadishu. Before he could, though, the military attacked the town the town where many Issaq clan members lived.
Back in the U.S., Aziz Deria lost contact with his family. He eventually learned that his father and younger brother, Mustafa Deria, were taken from the family home and never seen again.
Still, Deria gives Samantar credit for his role in Somalia’s wars against Ethiopia early in his career. He feels sorry for Samantar in some ways and doesn’t consider him evil.
“He became ruthless to survive,” Deria said. “I don’t think he’s a bad person at all. It’s just the nature of dictators.”
Samantar has refused multiple interview requests, but his lawyer said he didn’t persecute the Isaaq clan while in power.
“Samantar, above all, is a fervent nationalist who believes all Somalis should live under one flag,” Drennan said. “He is proud of his service to his country.”
Drennan said the lawsuit is about clan grievances among the Isaaq, many of whom have pursued establishment of an independent state in northern Somalia.
“Certainly, there were human rights abuses under the Barre regime. It was not a democratic regime. But is it worse than al-Shabab?” he asked, referring to the radical Islamic militia that now controls large swaths of the country and is aligned with al-Qaida.
Deria knows that the lawsuit alone won’t provide closure. He’s also been traveling back to the region surrounding his home city to help provide proper burials for remains from hundreds of mass graves dug during the Barre regime. In the rainy seasons,bones sometimes wash up from the river beds.
“It is so disgusting to see the skeletons come out. Those skeletons could be my father, my brother, my cousins” Deria said. “For me to have any closure, those people need to have a proper burial. … It bothers me whenever it rains. It really makes my heart sink.”
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By Mo Guled
Mr.Dennan,
Do not ask me or others who were not in Somaliland when this guy you are defending and his government murdered over 60,000 innocent people, instead please go to Somaliland and ask the victims themselves whether the crime your client committed is worse than what Alshabab are doing today. Their answer will be definitely yes. Because, they have not yet lost over 60, 000 people to alshabab but, they have lost that much to your client with his order.
Thousand of non Isaq somalis were massacred by SNM in early 1990s and buried them in mass-graves in Somaliland.
@mahud, i think ur family is killed by somaliland..isnt it?
Nowhere to run, no place to hide for Somaliland murderers. All Afweyne's henchmen should be hunted wherever they are and prosecuted.
These thugs committed genocide to us. We shall never forget, we shall never forgive.
This statement says it all “Samantar, above all, is a fervent nationalist who believes all Somalis should live under one flag,” Drennan said. “He is proud of his service to his country.” Is this really a justification to allow murderer walk free or to excuse the atrocities committed. I am disgusted at the second excuse " the law suite is about clan grievances among the isaaq' I am really astonished the level of ignorance there is among this group. This shows not only how ignorant these people are and their inability to learn from such horrendous massacre that took the lives of more than half million Somalilanders. No wonder they are still at it, murdering one another and letting their people starve to death in the process. Really SHAME. THEY HAVE DRAGGED THE GOOD NAME OF SOMALIS TO THE DIRT IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE.
Why should I visit a site peddling a pile of propaganda garbage??
I am starting to feel that the UN themselves should be held accountable for encouraging the continued disregard for what the Somalilanders suffered. How can they support a United Somalia when there was no legitimate government elected under this Unity. Somalilanders should sue the UN for continued denial of justice and closure. We should be left to control our destiny and move on. Of course I can also see what is happening to countries like Egypt, Libya, Sudan and Yemen and can see the UN among others plans to force these countries under their 'United Nations'. If you ask me these are the real colonizers or administrators??? SOMALILAND start condemning UN or you will never get out of this circle. I call for new demonstrations holding them accountable for supporting a dead government against peoples wishes and are being held hostage. No More (sick of this persecution)
How can you justify the UN support for a country that had no government for a decade? How is the world blaming Somalis alone? When their are double standards and lack of accountability by those who seemingly stand for humanity????? Where is the humanity by those who have been claiming to be helping Unite Somalis but don't even care what they want? Wake up Somaliland you are being sabotaged left right and centre. 20 Years means nothing because there is no such a thing as 'Independency' for the Africans especially the Muslim Africans. You either join them or Wake up.
Layla
I do not get it and it upsets me , when someone justify doing duty of his country to massacre innocent people and civilians. i believe Samatar has to ackowledge what he did was wrong, horrible and he is guilty of crime against humanity. I respect elderly people of any nation, however,i can not respect elderly people of ex -facist Siyad Barre's group. The world does not care much, because we are Africans, but Isaaqs had encountered small holocaust. Somaliland should never forget its innocent citizens who just been murdered because they belonged the wrong clan.
Well done Mr. Deria for your continues work for justice.
General A. Samatar was the highest ranking person in Northen Region. He was and is sole responsible for the killing of over 100,000 people and the destruction Hargeisa .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBEMpooEVJw
Indeed he will face humiliation in this life and the hereafter and his family – name will be remembered as the Hilter or Stalin of Africa. To those defending this man Have you no shameFaqash .
this bloodsucker dictator did not commit massacre against somalilanders alone but also put the somalinimo in grave,, look how millions of somalis are suffering drought and malnourished in Kenya,, thousands are stranded in Yemeni hell alike refugees,, other thousands are dead in big oceans/seas, every other week a Somali refugee get killed in south-Africa, terrorist groups like alshabab oven taken our country, therefore he should be charged all of those crimes as well.
man like this and his sick regime are the real cause of failure of Somalia and the real cause of Somali suffering.
If you are cold enough to support a murderer then you get your's too. Remember you only live by your actions and get treated by them too.
@ Jakke. He was a military dictator who got power by a coup and then abused his power by going back on agreement made when unity formed. He was a brutal dictator who was losing it and tried to take it out his lack of support as an excuse from Somalilanders. Even the Russians abandoned him and many other countries so why cry over us. We defended ourselves and will continue to defend ourself. Whether you approve or not? So get a life first. You are nothing to us.
Civilians do not have a duty to protect the country they live in but its military have that responsibility. So you calling civilians taking arms and defending themselves traitors is false. Moreover dillusional.
Allah saved us from the dirty faqash, they were not real human rather monkeys with ak47 and SNM kicked their ass back to the zoo
Maybe they should hand IT over to Somaliland government to be hanged publicly lol
Don't forget we have the best of judges; Allah who will do the real just between his slaves
Better kill ina, ina Walanwal because he is the worst enemy of Somali.
I'm not fond of anyone being hanged including samatr but I have to say you are defending criminal who killed so money people and is responsible for so many.; but ofcourse you have to because your father was probably among them
You have a real disease and faq@sh mentality,
SNM are and were revolutionare look at us know and look at your self know then you would now that SNM are the last man standing………………..do use a mirror
I hate when peopel talk bad about SNM and they do not know any damm thing about SNM SNM are and were revolutionare and we all need to learn more about them and respect dem and for thos of them who are not with us today "may they rest in peace"
Amiin ya Rub Al3alamiin.
Ali Samatar confessed the war crimes that he comited through the BBC, and many experts documented about his cruel acts against humanity. I pray that justice is served and the nototious general gets thre punishment he deserves. This about signaling to those who are commiting ugly crimes agains humanity in around the Somali regions. They have never been tried. They all think thay can get away with their curuel crimes
I feel sorry for Derie who is suing Smatar, I feel sorry because he lost his father and brother, but i also feel sorry for the wise old man Samatar, simply because he is being sued for crimes against humanity. This man did not take a gun and kill anyone, but may be he was involved in a military leadership of the former president Siad Bare. I would say if there is enough evidence against him that he committed these crimes then he should face justice, but the case against him sounds like a word of mouth and no credible evidence.
@Gee
I understand where yu coming from, Ha lais cafiyo samir iyo iimaana allah hanaga siiyo kuwii naftooda kuwaayey dagaalkii sokeeye, Yu see in civil war innocent people lose life and property, its very sad, but its also reality that when two armed groups fight for a control of A city then innocent civilians get caught in the cross fire, SNM was armed rebels that attacked peaceful Hargeisa and in the process angered government troops that controlled the city at the time. SNM have killed anyone they believed was part of the the Faqash government as they called it and so may be Derie should also sue Silanyo who was a warlord and criminal untill now.
Psychology says that when orders from leaders or high people is passed on to the people most act accordingly even if it is to kill, this is why so many government troops killed so many innocents people in hargaisa simply because they believed they were told to by high authority and because they believed this is the enemy except few who used their brain not to obey wrong actions. This is why people like samatr and many more in his position were responsible for so many killings even if they didnt take the gun and shoot themselves, they were the intelligences that were commanding.
worst of them all was the main leader (i.e siad barre) who had the power to make or break the nation and unfortunately was blinded by power, arrogance, selfishness and he will be accountable for his abuse of power. Had he been truly passionate about creating a real somali statehood, we would not have gone into this terrible mess. That hatred and genocide he committed against innocent people still lives today, even the innocent darood that died too was from this result. Not only did he target Somaliland, what about the mass murder and rape of the rer xamr (cad cad)
@Gee
you said ilhay ka baqo for what? for saying that samatr and his like were criminals or to talk about siad barres atrocities. Just because people like Morgan were more powerful and criminal does not make samatr innocent. yes, to be honest there were many more blood thirst under barre who made the whole situation worse like Morgan but whether you agree or not the authority was in barres hands who actually had a chance of becoming Somalia's greatest hero but rather went the ugly route. this is why the freedom fighting of SNM was formed and Allah sees and helps the people who really fight for freedom and that is why SNM succeeded and the government collapsed.
I don't have time or energy to talk about the whole history and what happened but all I know is that the more than 50 o 60 thousands people that were killed in Somaliland are disregarded as if they are not even important and then you turn around and tell me ilhay ka baqo wa la dhimanayaye it's disgusting. You said "Ali Samatar had done nothing to be honest" are you telling me he was not part of the government officials that were ordering the killing? You see i'm sorry for the family you have lost, but that doesn't make it right for you to defend war lords. Not only hargaisa or burco was attacked, some villages were turned upside down. Praise be to Allah who devoured the plan of eliminating the issaq, such evil plan had no chance of success
@ Gee.
Firstly, I am sorry for you're loss. Secondly have you read the article. People are objecting to war criminals living freely without justice. People are objecting to the protection of these people when in fact they should be tried for their alleged crimes. People want accountability and closure.
What you alleged to have gone through is not the same thing? Neither is it an excuse for you to use as a reason to others to forget the importance of what they felt should account for justice? Nor should you use it to advocate for a Union that has long been refuted. Markaas hadaanad qiiran qof kale dhibtiisa maxaad ooga sheegi kaaga.
@ Gee
I accept you're first paragraph but the rest seems to be fall apart. Here's Why? SNM are not JSL/Somaliland Republic. Second Isaaq are not the only tribe in it. Lastly JSL are against hostility/terrorism/piracy and have shown great efforts made to defuse or use the law against these actions. The aim being one of greater improvement to our national pride and stance.
You sound like you are distrustful of Somalis abilities whether they are of any tribe. You sound negative/bitter and I feel sorry for you. My view is if you want people to forgive each other then try it yourself. Move on and live & let live. If you have a grievance about a particular person or group I suggest you take it up to the proper authorities and search for appropriate remedy. Somalilanders weey tashadeen oo manaka soo noqonayaan.